View Poll Results: Should the Young be allowed to Escape Paying In when they will never Draw Out?

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  • NO - I am over 40, and they should have to pay for me, even if they never draw out

    2 5.00%
  • YES - I am over 40, and they should be allowed to do so

    9 22.50%
  • SORTA - I'm over 40; they should be allowed to split their FICA between themselves and me

    3 7.50%
  • YES - I am under 40 and I would much rather not pay into an SS system I will never draw from

    21 52.50%
  • NO - I am under 40; I feel it's my obligation to pay the Boomers, though I will never see a dime

    5 12.50%
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Thread: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I feel your pain, but I am not going to let the government rob me. You have already decided that you won't see the money in the future... I consider that money a debt that the government has to repay me. The citizens can't have a lay down and take attitude like you have. I am not willing to let either party rob me. I'll demand to be repaid, and if neither party agrees with me, then neither party should be in power.
    The problem is that if you continue to pay in they will rob you! You will not get that money back and you won't see any benefit from it. You will not be able to demand to be repaid because you don't have any legal grounds to contest it.
    I don't have the attitude of lay down and cry. I have the attitude that NOTHING is getting done in this country and the people that are going to suffer are the young. I took ONE semester of government in high school and that is all I had to take through out all of my school including college. No one is educated the youth of this nation on how to save money, how to be self-sufficient and how the government works. All you hear is go to the voting booth. You aren't taught or even told to find out as much as you can about a candidate. I waited for 6 hours in line for vote for president in 2008. I would say 80% of those people voted straight off of what their parents were voting. Note: This was on a college campus. I don't know how the whole nation isn't up in arms fighting against the complacency that is present today. Nothing changes. We all sit around here on DB arguing over the merits of several policies but the majority of us are not fully educated on what bills that are getting passed entail and none of us (or at least most of us) are doing anything to have ANY SORT OF CHANGE!!! That is the premise Obama ran on... Change! He can't do it on his own! Politicians are voted into power by the people but then they get there and go on their own way. I live in Florida and our current governor continually says I wasn't elected to be popular! YES YOU WERE!!! It is their job to do what WE want!!!! Why are we letting them give all our money to other people, the rich, the poor, companies, etc whatever you believe in LET THEM KNOW. Make them do it. Don't let your taxes line their pockets!!!

    Sorry it became a rant... It just frustrates me to know that nothing is getting done.
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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    The problem is that if you continue to pay in they will rob you! You will not get that money back and you won't see any benefit from it. You will not be able to demand to be repaid because you don't have any legal grounds to contest it.
    I don't have the attitude of lay down and cry. I have the attitude that NOTHING is getting done in this country.
    "they" will only rob you if you let them get away with it. shewolf is right, you can't just lay down and take it.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    The problem is that if you continue to pay in they will rob you! You will not get that money back and you won't see any benefit from it. You will not be able to demand to be repaid because you don't have any legal grounds to contest it.
    I don't have the attitude of lay down and cry. I have the attitude that NOTHING is getting done in this country.
    You have decided to let the government stream roll over you, and I haven't.... I will not settle on being robbed. It's unconstitutional for the government to remove your property, and if the government acquires your property for public use it has to pay you the FMV of your property. You have basically decided to let the government undermine your constitutional rights and you're not making a sound about it.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Sorry, but what you guys are quoting is not what I said. I hit the shift key and tab or something and it entered my post before I was done typing. Please read the whole post which is up not and revise you opinion on what my thought is. I am not laying down and dying... Please read. sorry for the mistake, but it would be wise to actually try find out what I believe before assuming as that is not what I think I conveyed in either of my posts.

    In fact, considering I even said " I don't have the attitude of lay down and cry" yet you both said that I do after I said that is a little weird. Maybe you should read past the first few sentences of a post.
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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A massive population of impoverished people piling up bad debt in the economy and defaulting on their debts will be your problem...
    You make the assumption that this will happen. It wasn't happening before SS and there is no need to assume it will happen once SS goes away. Although, I am not really accounting for the greed, laziness, and consumption driven lack of morality of the baby boomers there either so you never know...

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    You make the assumption that this will happen. It wasn't happening before SS and there is no need to assume it will happen once SS goes away. Although, I am not really accounting for the greed, laziness, and consumption driven lack of morality of the baby boomers there either so you never know...
    It did happen before SS...

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    Sorry, but what you guys are quoting is not what I said. I hit the shift key and tab or something and it entered my post before I was done typing. Please read the whole post which is up not and revise you opinion on what my thought is. I am not laying down and dying... Please read. sorry for the mistake, but it would be wise to actually try find out what I believe before assuming as that is not what I think I conveyed in either of my posts.

    In fact, considering I even said " I don't have the attitude of lay down and cry" yet you both said that I do after I said that is a little weird. Maybe you should read past the first few sentences of a post.
    Go ahead and explain yourself better... I haven't decided that I understand you better than you do. However, you seem to not expect the government to repay you for what you paid into, and that you'll just lose that money to the government. Is the correct or incorrect?

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Stronger family support... **** that. It shouldn't only be on the backs of one's family. It should be community concern, and a humanitarian concern. I am not arguing that government enforce people to care, but your attitude of "I don't care if you're 80 and eating cat food" is exactly why people look to the government for help, because they can't look to their fellow man. Maybe if you fixed your own damn attitude, and everybody gave a **** about their neighbor, we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.
    It's not your neighbor's obligation to care about your retirement. That was your obligation. That is your family's obligation. I don't care about your retirement. I care that my retirement is taken care of and that I can support my parents and other elderly family members with the help of my generation within the family. When I have to care for you and your lack of planning and your family's apathy toward their own (editorial "you", not the personal "you"), it takes away from my ability to elevate the quality of life for those I actually do care about.

    It's not society's problem. It's a private matter between seniors and their family's.

    And everyone acts as though charity doesn't exist for those who would truly need it.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It did happen before SS...
    It happens now. But it was never the norm. Unless you can show evidence of this elderly holocaust prior to SS, it didn't happen.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    The problem is that if you continue to pay in they will rob you! You will not get that money back and you won't see any benefit from it. You will not be able to demand to be repaid because you don't have any legal grounds to contest it.
    I don't have the attitude of lay down and cry. I have the attitude that NOTHING is getting done in this country and the people that are going to suffer are the young. I took ONE semester of government in high school and that is all I had to take through out all of my school including college. No one is educated the youth of this nation on how to save money, how to be self-sufficient and how the government works. All you hear is go to the voting booth. You aren't taught or even told to find out as much as you can about a candidate. I waited for 6 hours in line for vote for president in 2008. I would say 80% of those people voted straight off of what their parents were voting. Note: This was on a college campus. I don't know how the whole nation isn't up in arms fighting against the complacency that is present today. Nothing changes. We all sit around here on DB arguing over the merits of several policies but the majority of us are not fully educated on what bills that are getting passed entail and none of us (or at least most of us) are doing anything to have ANY SORT OF CHANGE!!! That is the premise Obama ran on... Change! He can't do it on his own! Politicians are voted into power by the people but then they get there and go on their own way. I live in Florida and our current governor continually says I wasn't elected to be popular! YES YOU WERE!!! It is their job to do what WE want!!!! Why are we letting them give all our money to other people, the rich, the poor, companies, etc whatever you believe in LET THEM KNOW. Make them do it. Don't let your taxes line their pockets!!!

    Sorry it became a rant... It just frustrates me to know that nothing is getting done.
    In case, you can't scroll up in the thread to read what I wrote...

    Shewolf, I plan on becoming more politically involved and try make a difference. I have accepted the fact that for the time being the government will take my money for SS and I believe I will not get that back. To think any different is dumb in my opinion. The government cannot afford to pay us back for it. Your statement seems to be they cant do that, thats not fair. O well... You seem to be more lay down and take it than me. Changes need to be made in the government. LOTS of them. That is done through voting in politicians that can make a difference. The government does a lot of things that they shouldn't be doing. Why do you think that because you ask the government... well hey, I gave you my money as a loan, can I have it back? they will give it to you? Unrealistic.

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