View Poll Results: Should the Young be allowed to Escape Paying In when they will never Draw Out?

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  • NO - I am over 40, and they should have to pay for me, even if they never draw out

    2 5.00%
  • YES - I am over 40, and they should be allowed to do so

    9 22.50%
  • SORTA - I'm over 40; they should be allowed to split their FICA between themselves and me

    3 7.50%
  • YES - I am under 40 and I would much rather not pay into an SS system I will never draw from

    21 52.50%
  • NO - I am under 40; I feel it's my obligation to pay the Boomers, though I will never see a dime

    5 12.50%
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Thread: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    You'd see a return to stronger family support for their elderly. As it should be. The government should not be doing what people should be doing for themselves and their own.
    families used to be much larger. today, it's perfectly normal for people to be childless. what you say will happen, won't.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    families used to be much larger. today, it's perfectly normal for people to be childless. what you say will happen, won't.
    Sort of like your bull**** fairy tale about seniors dying in the street?

    Look, I understand that you've lived your life on the selfish promise made to you by your own generation or maybe the one before that you will get to live out your retirement as a second childhood snowbirding it back and forth to florida or in an RV or on some sailboat at the tax payers' expense. I get that.

    But it's not my problem nor is it the treasury's problem. If you have to eat catfood into your 80's because you didn't make any other plan save to collect the dole from the government, that's your own problem. I am sure there are programs (and will continue to be programs) to assist lazy, thoughtless, ambitionless adults who coast into their senior years without a plan.

    Get on one of those. Or work as a greeter at Walmart. Just stop driving the country deeper into debt with your selfishness.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    I am 21 and currently a full time student. Last year I was a full time student and working 30 hours a week at 9 dollars an hour. The MAJORITY of taxes taken out of my paycheck was SS. I will not see a penny of that money in my future. If I was given that money in my paycheck, I might have had money to save. But when you are already taking out a large percentage of my check and putting it somewhere I wont get it, you don't leave any room left for me to save on my own. My dad is currently supporting me, if it wasn't for him, I couldn't afford school, medicine, maybe even rent working full time. I look at how expensive things are and then look at my paycheck and wonder how people are supposed to make ends meet without the help of others. I think things need to DRASTICALLY change for those of us who are young will be able to live in the future. I do not need the government to help me retire, just give me my money so I can spend it as I need. If a person doesn't save let them live on the street. It is there fault.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    I don't particularly like the wording in this poll. I think soc should be fixed, and I don't think the young should be allowed to opt out. The reason is because if the young opt out and blow all their money, they'll just end up wanting government assistance down the road anyway. Everybody might as well pay in, and the government might as ****ing well manage soc funds responsibly.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I am 21 and currently a full time student. Last year I was a full time student and working 30 hours a week at 9 dollars an hour. The MAJORITY of taxes taken out of my paycheck was SS. I will not see a penny of that money in my future. If I was given that money in my paycheck, I might have had money to save. But when you are already taking out a large percentage of my check and putting it somewhere I wont get it, you don't leave any room left for me to save on my own. My dad is currently supporting me, if it wasn't for him, I couldn't afford school, medicine, maybe even rent working full time. I look at how expensive things are and then look at my paycheck and wonder how people are supposed to make ends meet without the help of others. I think things need to DRASTICALLY change for those of us who are young will be able to live in the future. I do not need the government to help me retire, just give me my money so I can spend it as I need. If a person doesn't save let them live on the street. It is there fault.
    I feel your pain, but I am not going to let the government rob me. You have already decided that you won't see the money in the future... I consider that money a debt that the government has to repay me. The citizens can't have a lay down and take attitude like you have. I am not willing to let either party rob me. I'll demand to be repaid, and if neither party agrees with me, then neither party should be in power.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Allowing people to opt-out is a sure way to kill SS and you will NEVER get paid what you put in.


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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    Sort of like your bull**** fairy tale about seniors dying in the street?

    Look, I understand that you've lived your life on the selfish promise made to you by your own generation or maybe the one before that you will get to live out your retirement as a second childhood snowbirding it back and forth to florida or in an RV or on some sailboat at the tax payers' expense. I get that.

    But it's not my problem nor is it the treasury's problem. If you have to eat catfood into your 80's because you didn't make any other plan save to collect the dole from the government, that's your own problem. I am sure there are programs (and will continue to be programs) to assist lazy, thoughtless, ambitionless adults who coast into their senior years without a plan.

    Get on one of those. Or work as a greeter at Walmart. Just stop driving the country deeper into debt with your selfishness.
    A massive population of impoverished people piling up bad debt in the economy and defaulting on their debts will be your problem...

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    You'd see a return to stronger family support for their elderly. As it should be. The government should not be doing what people should be doing for themselves and their own.
    Stronger family support... **** that. It shouldn't only be on the backs of one's family. It should be community concern, and a humanitarian concern. I am not arguing that government enforce people to care, but your attitude of "I don't care if you're 80 and eating cat food" is exactly why people look to the government for help, because they can't look to their fellow man. Maybe if you fixed your own damn attitude, and everybody gave a **** about their neighbor, we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.

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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    If the majority of young people want to opt out of SS, that in itself demonstrates how little faith there was to begin with.
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    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Everyone makes enough to save a little. Social Security was never meant to be what you live on. Just because people made it so doesn't mean they're doing the right thing. It's supposed to be supplemental to your own retirement funds.

    In any case, phasing it out would most likely have to be done in intervals.
    It really isn't enough to live on... My grandparents have ss, medicare, and retirement, but their in their 80s and both handicapped. They have both had major surgeries and dependent on medication, and my grandfather's pension and investments wouldn't be enough to cover the medical costs alone. Prices have drastically increased since we was in his 20s and 30s. My grandfather pretty much refused to spend his money when he was younger and he was a hard worker. When he retired he traveled, but now the medical costs between him and gran are probably over 10,000 a year. They also buy a lot of their medication in foreign countries to save money...

    It's fundamental, common knowledge in economics that present value of money is worth more than money earned in the past, due to inflation and price increases... so for that reason, I think having some funds paid out and adjusted for present value is very important.

    Time Value of Money (TVM) Definition

    It's nearly impossible for somebody to save enough money in their lifetime and live comfortably and financially independent, especially after retirement, unless they are filthy rich or incredibly healthy...

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