View Poll Results: Should the Young be allowed to Escape Paying In when they will never Draw Out?

Voters
40. You may not vote on this poll
  • NO - I am over 40, and they should have to pay for me, even if they never draw out

    2 5.00%
  • YES - I am over 40, and they should be allowed to do so

    9 22.50%
  • SORTA - I'm over 40; they should be allowed to split their FICA between themselves and me

    3 7.50%
  • YES - I am under 40 and I would much rather not pay into an SS system I will never draw from

    21 52.50%
  • NO - I am under 40; I feel it's my obligation to pay the Boomers, though I will never see a dime

    5 12.50%
Page 12 of 14 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 139

Thread: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

  1. #111
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I have a question for all those against SS and Medicare and Medicaid.

    Do away with all of them ok...then what happens to the MILLIONS of people who get to old to work that never made enough to save for a pension and health benefits, please dont try and say thats their own fault unless you work in walmart full time and are able to live today and save a bundle for tomorrow. We are talking MILLIONS of people.
    They keep working until they melt.

    Of course, you're free to donate to the charities of your choice, to help them. And, naturally, one expects that you'll take care of your own parents rather than having them become a burden to others. But that's only if you care about them. And if you don't care enough about them to care for them, why should you care if others don't want to care for them, either? If you owe your parents nothing, what do strangers owe them?

  2. #112
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,513

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Yes, I completely agree they owe that money. However, since the government's only way of getting money is taxation, the only way they can pay us back.... is by taking it from us again lol.
    They inappropriately allocated government funds... SS funds aren't supposed to be used to fund the general operation of the government, and those taxes are higher on some individuals than the general federal tax. Basically, businesses have been triple taxed to fund the general operation of the government and individuals double taxed. The principle of it should have people fuming, and it should really impair our trust of the government... but to me, it just seems like a lot people are shrugging this off.

  3. #113
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    families used to be much larger. today, it's perfectly normal for people to be childless. what you say will happen, won't.

    So, what you're saying is that someone else should be forced to carry the burden of people who choose to not have the children who would feel responsible for them when they're old. If they're so careless they failed to create offspring, then, first off, they've had an entire life earning money to be spent only on themselves. Given the costs of raising kids, these DINKs should have so much money squirreled away that they shouldn't be a burden in the first place, but if they were so spendthrift and careless to have nothing left to retire on when they had no excuse to not save all that money, then, seriously, they don't have any reason to complain when other people don't want to support their selfish incompetent asses.

    Is that perfectly clear?

  4. #114
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,513

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    So, what you're saying is that someone else should be forced to carry the burden of people who choose to not have the children who would feel responsible for them when they're old. If they're so careless they failed to create offspring, then, first off, they've had an entire life earning money to be spent only on themselves. Given the costs of raising kids, these DINKs should have so much money squirreled away that they shouldn't be a burden in the first place, but if they were so spendthrift and careless to have nothing left to retire on when they had no excuse to not save all that money, then, seriously, they don't have any reason to complain when other people don't want to support their selfish incompetent asses.

    Is that perfectly clear?
    I really don't like this notion that I should have to have children in order to secure my own financial stability... Children are expensive and costly, and just because I have them for the selfish intent of wiping my ass and keeping my kitchen stocked when I am 80, doesn't mean it will work out that way... I might end up sinking more money in taking care of them, then they do me. I won't have a child for that purpose... It's completely ludicrous.

  5. #115
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Stronger family support... **** that. It shouldn't only be on the backs of one's family.
    Why not?

    The average works out to the family taking care of it's elderly.

    It should be community concern,
    Why? Did the community voice permission for the individual to blow all his cash on booze, drugs, cars, cats, or baseball cards?

    and a humanitarian concern.
    The word you're not using is "private charity".

    That's how communities get together to help those it deems deserving.

    No reason the undeserving should get anything.

    Maybe if you fixed your own damn attitude, and everybody gave a **** about their neighbor, we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place.
    Maybe if we stopped relying on government to steal money for us, people would abandon their "let the goverment do it" attitude and start becoming part of their communities again. After all, it's the rise of government social engineering that's coincident with the rise of dependency.

  6. #116
    Student
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    07-15-12 @ 10:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    255

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I really don't like this notion that I should have to have children in order to secure my own financial stability... Children are expensive and costly, and just because I have them for the selfish intent of wiping my ass and keeping my kitchen stocked when I am 80, doesn't mean it will work out that way... I might end up sinking more money in taking care of them, then they do me. I won't have a child for that purpose... It's completely ludicrous.
    I do not believe you got where Mayor Snorkum was going with that. Or I didn't. He also mentioned what would happen if you did not have kids. Kids cost a TON of money! Just a college pre-paid plan is $100 a month or something, that doesn't include food, clothing, increased housing cost for more room, summer camp, day care, etc. You would be saving a TON of money to not have kids. You could then do exactly that and SAVE the money, put it in an account, and you will be set for retirement.

  7. #117
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I really don't like this notion that I should have to have children in order to secure my own financial stability... Children are expensive and costly, and just because I have them for the selfish intent of wiping my ass and keeping my kitchen stocked when I am 80, doesn't mean it will work out that way... I might end up sinking more money in taking care of them, then they do me. I won't have a child for that purpose... It's completely ludicrous.

    Actually, if you were capable of understanding the post, you'd realize that not having children is the best possible vehicle for having the wherewithal to save for retirement. Spawnless, you've paid for one college education, your own, if you didn't get daddy to pay for it. You're buying clothes for one person. You're cooking for one. You're carrying car insurance for one, and medical insurance, too. Your house isn't likely to be as large.

    So, if you don't have kids, you've got no excuse, none, for not being financially secure when you retire.

  8. #118
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,513

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Actually, if you were capable of understanding the post, you'd realize that not having children is the best possible vehicle for having the wherewithal to save for retirement. Spawnless, you've paid for one college education, your own, if you didn't get daddy to pay for it. You're buying clothes for one person. You're cooking for one. You're carrying car insurance for one, and medical insurance, too. Your house isn't likely to be as large.

    So, if you don't have kids, you've got no excuse, none, for not being financially secure when you retire.
    I got both parts of your statement.... It's just that you're counting on the children to support their parents, and that there will be a payout to the parents for having those kids. And although I don't have kids, it doesn't mean that I only financially support myself either...

  9. #119
    User
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    05-25-11 @ 09:25 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    63

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh........elderly brats? that's rich.
    That's exactly what you are. Screeching with your hand out while the country falls further and further into debt. Before social security, 58% of men over 65 were still in the workforce, leading productive lives. Why are you opposed to working like previous generations?

  10. #120
    User
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    05-25-11 @ 09:25 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    63

    Re: Should the Young be Allowed to Opt Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That's your ****ty attitude...
    Cry me a river. I don't know that lady. I don't care if she eats cat food. If she were my neighbor or my aunt or my grandmother or anyone else I cared about, then by all means. But my guilt is absolved by the charity I give already. Let her neighbors or her family tend to her so I have more resources to tend to mine.

Page 12 of 14 FirstFirst ... 21011121314 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •