View Poll Results: Would you give up your Social Security?

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    I'm 22 years old. Will I even have the option?!?!
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    I'm 23, I'll never see it at this rate, anyway, so yes, I would.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I put money into it
    no, you didn't. you payed taxes. those taxes were immediately spent on everything from roads to pork projects to others benefits. SS is a tax - the FDR administration set it up that way when it put it into place and the Supreme Court has verified that on multiple occasions. so you 'put money into it' no more or less than you did, say, agricultural subsidies.

    now - this isn't what you've been told. generations of politicians have kept themselves safely seated by telling us it was some kind of savings, or insurance, or retirement program. they even had the SSA send out nifty little yearly statements pretending to show people what 'they' had earned.

    only problem was that those 'statements'' were built on the same model that bernie madoffs client account statements' were. and they were both lies.

    and I am going to get money out.
    that depends on how old you are, how much money you have, and how long you intend to live.

    It's good to be older.
    actually its about to start being harder to be older.

    And yet I will get it back until I am long, long gone.
    you intend to continue to draw benefits post mortem? are you a chicago voter?

    I am glad I am retired.
    if you are retired then you'd better hope like hell the Ryan plan passes come 2013. because otherwise you are looking at possibly getting thrown off of both SS and Medicare cold turkey in the not-nearly-as-distant-as-we'd-like future.

    And you mite as well get used to the fact I am over 40.
    but are you over 70?

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, you didn't. you payed taxes. those taxes were immediately spent on everything from roads to pork projects to others benefits. SS is a tax - the FDR administration set it up that way when it put it into place and the Supreme Court has verified that on multiple occasions. so you 'put money into it' no more or less than you did, say, agricultural subsidies.

    now - this isn't what you've been told. generations of politicians have kept themselves safely seated by telling us it was some kind of savings, or insurance, or retirement program. they even had the SSA send out nifty little yearly statements pretending to show people what 'they' had earned.

    only problem was that those 'statements'' were built on the same model that bernie madoffs client account statements' were. and they were both lies.



    that depends on how old you are, how much money you have, and how long you intend to live.



    actually its about to start being harder to be older.



    you intend to continue to draw benefits post mortem? are you a chicago voter?



    if you are retired then you'd better hope like hell the Ryan plan passes come 2013. because otherwise you are looking at possibly getting thrown off of both SS and Medicare cold turkey in the not-nearly-as-distant-as-we'd-like future.



    but are you over 70?
    But we have a legal claim to social security depoosits in our name, No? And can't we claim a resonable interest on that money? And can't we claim as ours all deposits never returned due to death? I think we know what happens when things go very wrong. Government bailout.

    They should hire me to run the whole mess. I can do it! This stuff is right up my alley. I'd sort it all and have a statue of Lord Royal Highness Square Pants erected on Wall Street. There would be a national Lord Squarepants Day. Nobody would work or go to school. Parades would be Mardi Gras style as commanded by the Mighty Lord.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    How so? You actually end up getting out much more than you put in dollar for dollar.
    This is true. But I've got to tell you, I wasn't exactly making a small fortune in 1968.
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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    All I see here is a bunch of young spoiled punks that don't want to help their elders. Of course, a message board is a horrible example of a cross section of the country's population. Combine that with the fact that SS isn't going to go away and all the young punks are going to have their payments deducted from their checks, or their tax returns audited, and they are going to pay into SS for their whole working lives.

    And there is absolutely nothing that they can do about it except cry like babies.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    But we have a legal claim to social security depoosits in our name, No?
    no. The Supreme Court was quite clear on this - you have no legal claim whatsoever to any social security benefit of any kind.

    They should hire me to run the whole mess. I can do it! This stuff is right up my alley. I'd sort it all and have a statue of Lord Royal Highness Square Pants erected on Wall Street. There would be a national Lord Squarepants Day. Nobody would work or go to school. Parades would be Mardi Gras style as commanded by the Mighty Lord.
    well now that, too, is an idea. we should write Paul Ryan

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    All I see here is a bunch of young spoiled punks that don't want to help their elders.
    whereas what we see is a bunch of hippy boomers who didn't save for their own selves, and so want to foist the costs of their extravagant lifestyles off on us.

    the fact that SS isn't going to go away
    actually, one way or the other, it is. the question is whether we reform it ourselves in a manner of our choosing, or whether our creditors alter it as they see fit, our desires bedammed.

    And there is absolutely nothing that they can do about it except cry like babies.
    or wait for ya'll to get too old to read your pill labels

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Discuss.

    i vote no, and i am over 40.
    I would be willing to see an alternative to SS, but the same % of one's payroll must be contributed and that money cannot be touched, even through bankruptcy until retirement. However, it would be up to the person to choose their investment.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I would be willing to see an alternative to SS, but the same % of one's payroll must be contributed and that money cannot be touched, even through bankruptcy until retirement. However, it would be up to the person to choose their investment.
    what we receive from ss when we retire is NOT what we paid in. so how would you fund the poorest, and the disabled, and survivor children?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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