View Poll Results: Would you give up your Social Security?

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovelyLUDWIG View Post
    it has everything to do with it, it effects young people the most. but just worry about your future later i guess. - pshh, youve been hustled
    What? I'm worried about my future now, but hey just rely on others if you wish.


    im so glad you have such wonderful principles hopefully it'll get you far in life haha, but its called a safety net, and my principals tell me that even if im successful when i graduate, that not everyone is, so for the better future of my unsuccessful or unfortunate peers, please dont **** with thier safety net, i dont wanna see anymore old people dying a slow painful death like were in the middle ages.
    Middle ages? HAHA, nice, where did that one come from? I like you.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovelyLUDWIG View Post
    im so glad you have such wonderful principles hopefully it'll get you far in life haha, but its called a safety net, and my principals tell me that even if im successful when i graduate, that not everyone is, so for the better future of my unsuccessful or unfortunate peers, please dont **** with thier safety net, i dont wanna see anymore old people dying a slow painful death like were in the middle ages.
    Old people weren't dying slow painful deaths prior to the advent of social security. They were living with their children, actively taking part in the raising of their grandchildren, supporting their families by being around. And they saved and worked longer. Now, our people live lives far beyond their means instead of saving and when time comes to retire, it's still taken care of for them. And you see the breakdown of tight family bonds because of it...all the interdependency of generations of family has been undone. That's what government interference will get you.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovelyLUDWIG
    im so glad you have such wonderful principles hopefully it'll get you far in life haha, but its called a safety net, and my principals tell me that even if im successful when i graduate, that not everyone is, so for the better future of my unsuccessful or unfortunate peers, please dont **** with thier safety net, i dont wanna see anymore old people dying a slow painful death like were in the middle ages.
    It's not like people are mandating that this money disappear. They get it back to do with as they see fit - be it for paying more bills, investing, blowing frivolously, or stuffing under the mattress. Frankly I'm against people being stupid with their money, then going "oops my bad" and expecting to jump onto a neverending support system funded by me and two hundred million taxpayers like me.

    You can use your tax dollars to subsidize the lazy, inept, and stupid. Hands off mine. You're impeding Darwin's good work.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Where do people get the idea that workers are going to save up just like me? Get rid of a government mandated retirement plan and you are deciding that you would like to pay for all the people who just couldn't save. Not because thy were reckless but because they could only sacrifice so mch.

    So, what do you think will happen? And is there any plan if this happens? Would that plan require the government? Oh yes I think it would.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I recall a member on another board, very conservative, who touted the investing of his SS. He lost a crap load the last Wllstreet down turn. He admitted his error in thinking. If your young enough, you can recover from these things, but if they happen late, you lose. A gamble is a gamble, always.
    feel free to check out my propsal where I ran the numbers for all to see. Even if the market crashed at the worst possible time and the retiree then made the stupidest possible series of decisions, low income workers would still do more than twice as well with personalized accounts than they would with Social (in)Security.

    What's it called, anyway, when you invest in something that is guaranteed to go broke?

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    I am seventy but I was given the option of leaving Social Security in 1966 and I did.
    and no doubt you are currently starving to death in the snow?

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Where do people get the idea that workers are going to save up just like me? Get rid of a government mandated retirement plan and you are deciding that you would like to pay for all the people who just couldn't save. Not because thy were reckless but because they could only sacrifice so mch.
    It's not a retirement plan. Retirement plans involve a lot more than contributions over time -- they also involve careful investment, monitoring of assets, occasional changes in distribution to go with a risk tolerance that changes over time. They also involve the fact that at some point you get access to everything you put in, minus losses or plus profits over time.

    Social Security is me paying into a pit that someone else gets a pittance out of, the "surplus" of which is shoveled into the ginormous potholes in the Federal budget process.

    In other words, it's Bernie Madoff's wet dream -- a Ponzi scheme by government fiat.
    Last edited by TacticalEvilDan; 04-19-11 at 12:37 AM.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds that a majority of retirees say they expect their current benefits to be cut, a dramatic increase in the number who hold that view. And a record six of 10 non-retirees predict Social Security won't be able to pay them benefits when they stop working.

    Skepticism is highest among the youngest workers: Three-fourths of those 18 to 34 don't expect to get a Social Security check when they retire....


    Id like to know where CPwill got that gallup poll from..because its not on gallups site, unless I missed it
    you may have noticed how some of the words in that post are blue, and underlined? that means it's a hyperlink

    Heres an interesting poll, most americans back the unions against the governors that are attacking them
    riiiiiight.... and that matters to social security...... not at all......

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's not a retirement plan. Retirement plans involve a lot more than contributions over time -- they also involve careful investment, monitoring of assets, occasional changes in distribution to go with a risk tolerance that changes over time. They also involve the fact that at some point you get access to everything you put in, minus losses or plus profits over time.

    Social Security is me paying into a pit that someone else gets a pittance out of, the "surplus" of which is shoveled into the ginormous potholes in the Federal budget process.

    In other words, it's Bernie Madoff's wet dream -- a Ponzi scheme by government fiat..
    that was actually one of it's selling points, originally. It was billed as an unfailable such scheme, because Everyone Knew that the population would Always have 10 or so young workers for each older retiree and Everyone Knew that Human Beings Would Never Start Living Past 70 etc. and so forth. So it was supposed to be a magic money tree; where benefits only kept going up, up, up, forever and ever.

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    Re: Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I remember something from years and years ago, the late eighties maybe, that said people of Generation X were more likely to believe in extraterrestrials visiting Earth than they were to believe they would get SS
    that sounds about right. there's a mathematical certainty that extraterrestrial life exists, and a mathematical possibility it has visited. neither of those things exists for Social Security existing as it currently does for me when i retire.

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