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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Should there be a "Flat Tax"?

    A tax that would be 10 - 15% or whatever number for EVERYONE across the board.
    I think it should be a flat national sales tax would be better than a flat income tax.
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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, the person making $15,000 is more likely to spend up to, and possible above the amount of money they make in a year, just on basic needs like food, shelter, clothing, etc, and the extra tax burden will force them to possible go without such necessities. And the person making $500,000 is not as likely going to spend up to their income during the year, and the tax burden is not as severe for them. This economic principle is why a flat tax system is unfair, illogical, and will do nothing but hurt, and tear apart society.
    Wow. I never have thought about it this way. I always figured flat tax would be the fair thing to do but reading it this way? Well that sucks
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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    It should be a percentage of your own income. Based on a defined chart for your income bracket.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think it should be a flat national sales tax would be better than a flat income tax.
    agreed-would get rid of lots of government intrusion



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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Seems most everything you hear on this board is Lowering tax significantly for the wealthiest and increasing it for the poor and middleclass..
    The flat tax does just that unless its graded...the rich get to pay 15 or 20% instead of 35 and the poor and middle class gets an increase..lets not forget they are paying less now then they have been...poor babies

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Seems most everything you hear on this board is Lowering tax significantly for the wealthiest and increasing it for the poor and middleclass..
    The flat tax does just that unless its graded...the rich get to pay 15 or 20% instead of 35 and the poor and middle class gets an increase..lets not forget they are paying less now then they have been...poor babies
    the reason why this country has a massive deficit and massive government is that the majority of voters are not charged for what they want. if people had to pay for what they want they would either pay more taxes or not support big spending politicians



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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jcmckinney View Post
    It should be a percentage of your own income. Based on a defined chart for your income bracket.
    Isn't that what we already do?
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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, the person making $15,000 is more likely to spend up to, and possible above the amount of money they make in a year, just on basic needs like food, shelter, clothing, etc, and the extra tax burden will force them to possible go without such necessities.
    I sincerely doubt that, however, your concern is easily solved; i can think of two methods offhand:

    1. Tax no income below the poverty line (it's worth noting that this change would technically turn the "flat" tax back into a "progressive" tax, as the larger your income, the larger the share of it above that line would be, but I'm willing to wager this is a change that most flat-taxers would be amenable to).

    2. Switch to a national sales tax that includes a prebate up to the poverty line (which actually reduces the burdern currently on the poor, making it more progressive than our current system; and has the side benefit of providing tax incentives to encourage them to save, which will over time alleviate their poverty)

    And the person making $500,000 is not as likely going to spend up to their income during the year
    no, instead they will save and invest it. which does things like provide start-up-capital for new businesses.

    and the tax burden is not as severe for them. This economic principle is why a flat tax system is unfair, illogical, and will do nothing but hurt, and tear apart society.
    really. and is that the experience of the nations around the world who currently have a flat tax?
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-20-11 at 12:17 AM.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Isn't that what we already do?
    no. what we currently do is so stupidly complex that even the IRS doesn't understand it. trying to sum it up as "A percentage of your own income. Based on a defined chart for your income bracket" is sort of like trying to explain the complexities of human beings by saying "Carbon-based life-form".

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are setting up a strawman. I don't pretend it will be so-easy-a-caveman-could-do-it. I claim it would be much, much simpler than the disastrous hydra that we have in place now.
    Really? Considering that the vast majority of the tax code has effectively nothing to do with individuals, a flat tax doesn't solve the complex problem. The biggest problem with business to individual is what and when income is defined and declared. A flat tax does absolutely nothing to solve this.
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