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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Absolutely not. A flat income tax is regressive and as 'Your Star' points out, penalises the most vulnerable tax paying demographic. Take a look around the developed nations of the world, and note how many (if any) employ a flat rate of income tax.
    Nothing regressive about requiring people to pay their fair share.

    Nothing constitutional about creating artificial distinctions between citizens based on their incomes. You land might be different, the United States requires everyone recieve equal treatment under the law.

    It is as equally unfair to tax a man for having money as it is to tax him for being black.

    Charlie Rangel thinks so, look at how he cheats on his taxes, and he's former Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is simply another plank in the right wing platform. Eventually, the platform will be finished and the American class will see that it is a scaffold. And then they will take a walk up the stairs.
    You mean it's different than the plank the Pirates of the DNC have hanging off the side of their canoe?

    Perhaps what you're implying is that the Democrats are the sharks in the water below?

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Goodness no! Certainly not. We're not a group of strangers all out for ourselves. We're a team that plays fair.

    The poor shouldn't pay any taxes because they get no benefit of being a citizen. They could just get by in any country.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You mean it's different than the plank the Pirates of the DNC have hanging off the side of their canoe?

    Perhaps what you're implying is that the Democrats are the sharks in the water below?
    Go back and read your post. The pirate bit is YOUR metaphor - so I am implying nothing of the kind.
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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Goodness no! Certainly not. We're not a group of strangers all out for ourselves. We're a team that plays fair.

    The poor shouldn't pay any taxes because they get no benefit of being a citizen. They could just get by in any country.
    the poor are not protected by the military? the poor are not allowed to use public currency? they do not drive on public roads? their children do not attend public education? they do not recieve money from medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc.? Police refuse to arrest those who prey on them? they aren't allowed to vote?

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Hello?

    Can you explain why so many people believe the letters IRS stand for "Income Tax Revenue Service"?

    Turn today's graduated tax silliness into a flat tax, or a national sales tax, and the government is still going to need clerks to count it.
    Under the FairTax legislation that function is provided by the state governments; who recieve a small percent to cover expenses.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Ah.

    So you're claiming that the people earning in the lowest tax brackets will jump for joy and rush out and work harder when they're given the opportunity to pay taxes on what they earned.

    That certainly is an unusual possibility neither the Mayor nor most others have considered.

    Makes one wonder why they're not rushing out and working harder when they're able to keep all their money today, doesn't it?
    So I've read what I wrote at least a dozen times and cannot find where I claim that the lowest tax brackets will "jump for joy and rush out and work harder when they're given the opportunity to pay taxes on what they earned."

    And yes, I frequently wonder why people don't work harder now... but not for the implied reason you're getting at. The answer seems obvious: because they don't have to in order to maintain their required lifestyle.

    Work is reward based. If the work/reward ratio isn't worth it, then you won't work the extra 15 hours/week in order to have extra luxuries. But you do require a nominal amount of income to live on and if that's all you intend to work for, as many do, then a flat tax will in essence give you a pay cut to a point below your necessary standard of living, since they were already achieving the minimum necessary. And so they will not work more out of the fun of taxes, but out of necessity.

    The basis for my argument is that the person who never achieved a rank higher than burger-flipper at a fast-food chain was because of the extra effort vs extra reward wasn't worth it for them. Not that they weren't able. I'm not saying this was wrong of them; to each their own. I'm just saying that they ought to be paying taxes too.

    If you want to debate me, please do so based on what I'm actually saying.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Absolutely not. A flat income tax is regressive and as 'Your Star' points out, penalises the most vulnerable tax paying demographic. Take a look around the developed nations of the world, and note how many (if any) employ a flat rate of income tax.
    I once had an argument with my economics professor about sales tax. I tried to claim that it was a flat tax. She claimed that it was indeed a PROGRESSIVE tax... because the more you spend, the more you are taxed. In terms of dollars, a flat % tax is still considered a progressive tax, technically, because the amount of dollars spent on taxes INCREASES as your income INCREASES... a progressive relationship.

    A true flat tax would be the same $ figure owed/citizen. Now that's my kind of country.

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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    So what you're saying is that if everyone paid something closer to their fair share of the tax burden, that there'd be more people paying closer attention to the crap the government currently wastes their money on and the push to dismantle the Nanny State would grow, right? That's what you mean by "hurts"?
    No, the person making $15,000 is more likely to spend up to, and possible above the amount of money they make in a year, just on basic needs like food, shelter, clothing, etc, and the extra tax burden will force them to possible go without such necessities. And the person making $500,000 is not as likely going to spend up to their income during the year, and the tax burden is not as severe for them. This economic principle is why a flat tax system is unfair, illogical, and will do nothing but hurt, and tear apart society.
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    Re: Should ther be a "Flat Tax"?

    The government should be allowed to squeeze every last penny from every last sharecropper. Get used to it.

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