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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and that is the sad truth. and that's what this thread really boils down to - how good will the Republicans prove to be as educators? we can't (sadly) turn all of them in to Paul Ryan.
    It's not really the educator part that's the problem, it's the "it's mine, I paid for it" mentality that will be near impossible to overcome.

    Freedom (like real freedom, not this stupid stability idea of freedom) is not popular with most people.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You do realize that not EVERYONE is a "Partisan" hack?
    Of course. Those who can admit that we need to raise taxes and cut entitlements aren't hacks. Those who realize that nuclear power, modified from its current mainstream designs and funding methods is absolutely vital aren't hacks. Those who realize that both parties are cancers upon the American population aren't hacks.

    Meaning maybe 5 out of 100 users here aren't hacks.

    That said, you still did call the Speaker of the House (my bad, not Cantor) and Senate Minority leader are "mentally deficient."

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Theres no doubt deep cuts need to be made, Im certainly not denying that. I dont deny SS and medicare and Medicaid have to take hits. My issue is soley with cut the richs taxs to the bone...cut SS medicare to the bone and make the middleclass pay for the debt reduction...that is not going to float when whats actually in Ryans Plan becomes more common knowledge.
    Ryan has the ordasity to whine incessantly how broke we are how deep in debt, he rails on Social Security and Medicare and then he wants to give the wealthiest ANOTHER 27% tax cut and corporations lol...yeah ok surrrre Ill buy that
    Note: NO where did I say to raise taxs on the rich either...but enough with the tax cuts, while everyone else is getting hammered
    Last edited by lpast; 04-19-11 at 05:21 AM.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not really the educator part that's the problem, it's the "it's mine, I paid for it" mentality that will be near impossible to overcome.

    Freedom (like real freedom, not this stupid stability idea of freedom) is not popular with most people.
    even after it all, i remain an optimist. If we can just demonstrate to Americans the severity and nature of the problem, I remain convinced they will be able to rise to the challenge.



    ......but i have been dissapointed before I hear Australia is nice.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Theres no doubt deep cuts need to be made, Im certainly not denying that. I dont deny SS and medicare and Medicaid have to take hits. My issue is soley with cut the richs taxs to the bone
    then you will be happy to hear that the Ryan Budget achieves tax neutrality, and closes out the loopholes, corporate welfare, twists, special favors, and arcanic rules in the tax code that allow large businesses such as GE and the wealthy to not pay taxes?

    ...cut SS medicare to the bone and make the middleclass pay for the debt reduction...that is not going to float when whats actually in Ryans Plan becomes more common knowledge.
    the vast majority of our spending is on the middle class. there is no way to cut without cutting that.

    Ryan has the ordasity to whine incessantly how broke we are how deep in debt, he rails on Social Security and Medicare and then he wants to give the wealthiest ANOTHER 27% tax cut
    actually he doesn't. the wealthy will pay not one dime less under Ryan's plan.

    Note: NO where did I say to raise taxs on the rich either.
    so you, too, are in favor of tax revenue neutrality? just like Ryan?

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    even after it all, i remain an optimist. If we can just demonstrate to Americans the severity and nature of the problem, I remain convinced they will be able to rise to the challenge.



    ......but i have been dissapointed before I hear Australia is nice.
    I don't try to be a cynic but I think it's more realistic.

    The way things are going and have been going pretty much fall in line with what Tocqueville predicted.
    The whole freedom to servitude eventuality.

    The richer a nation gets, the more stability it wants, which destabilizes the whole reason it got rich in the first place.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    I think you are thinking of the famous quote attributed to Tytler:

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

    Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    many adults act like children.



    and are so OBVIOUS that no doubt you don't feel the need to actually - you know - list any? I don't pretend to have mastery of the subject, but I am obsessed with it, and will be more than happy to point you to what I know and where I have found that you could find more.
    Ok, now maybe we're getting somewhere.

    I have asked questions in threads where you are active and seen mine and others simplistically dismissed by you.

    So in future maybe some discussion can happen.

    And I get that you obsess. I do the samr thing about PR industry "persuasion".

    Just bear in mind that other people who aren't idiots do disagree with some of your presumptions and only possible solutions. There is a vested interest in people believing as you do and a considerable amount of money is spent reinforcing said beliefs.

    I suspect that some of the programs you summarily pronounce DOA could probably be repaired in some fashion that doesnt actually destroy them and that is what the majority want. It may simply require belts being tightened that are not generally subject to tightening.

    Here's to actual debate moving forward.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Which lies, specifically?
    Ryans bill takes money from the old, the disabled, the autistic children and gives it to the rich.
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are there any conservatives that want to have an actual discussion on the topic, or are you guys going to just stick with mindless one liner namecalling?
    did I call someone a name? Perhaps you should report me to a moderator then. Otherwise........

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