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Thread: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes yes, please...focus on them and not the conservative they quoted that WAS attempting an actual discussion on the topic. That will surely get the conversation going!
    You are a phony conservative though. They told me so!
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is the most hilarious spin on telling seniors that they will be lucky to afford health care in the future I have ever heard.
    we have written ourselves a series of bad checks, and now they are coming due. the sad fact is that we can find a way to reduce medicare expenditures, or we can watch as the program collapses. the Ryan plan currently seeks to minimize the pain for our poorer retirees, give people plenty of time and ability to plan, and lower healthcare costs over time. the presidents' plan (to the extent that he has one) does none of these things. no one's trying to spin anything - this is where we are. we can grow up and face reality, or we can keep ourselves in a debt-induced high for a liiiiitle while longer until our dealer cuts us off and we crash.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Or the countries' other adults will get really tired of being referred to as children by children.
    many adults act like children.

    I know I'm REALLY tired of hearing suspiciously incomplete examples presented as obvious fact that any adult can see.

    Examples that present OBVIOUS questions that none of you will provide useful answers for. Just repetitions of the same absolute, assumptive positions that I didn't believe the first time. Delivered with what can only be described as a pompous air.
    and are so OBVIOUS that no doubt you don't feel the need to actually - you know - list any? I don't pretend to have mastery of the subject, but I am obsessed with it, and will be more than happy to point you to what I know and where I have found that you could find more.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we have written ourselves a series of bad checks, and now they are coming due. the sad fact is that we can find a way to reduce medicare expenditures, or we can watch as the program collapses. the Ryan plan currently seeks to minimize the pain for our poorer retirees, give people plenty of time and ability to plan, and lower healthcare costs over time. the presidents' plan (to the extent that he has one) does none of these things. no one's trying to spin anything - this is where we are. we can grow up and face reality, or we can keep ourselves in a debt-induced high for a liiiiitle while longer until our dealer cuts us off and we crash.
    Except it does not minimize that pain. Quite the opposite. The poor are the ones who will feel this change the most.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are a phony conservative though. They told me so!
    well, if he didn't want to get outed like that then he should have joined the rest of us in offering his firstborn to the service of our Prophet Sarah (pbuh).

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, if he didn't want to get outed like that then he should have joined the rest of us in offering his firstborn to the service of our Prophet Sarah (pbuh).
    Damn you sir, I can't stop laughing now. Very well played.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Medicare would go away, seniors would be given a voucher to buy health insurance. What insurance company is going sell insurance to a senior?
    one that thinks it can make money on it. which probably means a high-deductible plan with catastrophic coverage.

    which is what the market should look like anyway. expecting medical insurance to cover your twice-a-year checkup is like expecting your auto insurance to cover your oil changes.


    Quote Originally Posted by redress
    Damn you sir, I can't stop laughing now. Very well played.
    i will admit in my less humbler moment, i was quite tickled with that one



    although (and perhaps this is a better topic for another thread) increasingly i'm coming to the opinion that her supporters are more a Cult of Personality than any kind of solid ideological block. she is to conservatives what Obama was to many liberals- she may not have lots of experience, or any, you know, strong demonstrated executive ability, but darn doesn't she talk to us pretty.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    One the reasons Medicare was started in the first place was because the insurance companies didn't want this business.
    Dude that is a myth.
    Before medicare, approximately 50% of seniors had insurance.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If they stop lying about what's in the bill, it will help the Republicans.
    Barb, even the Tea Party thinks we can reduce the deficit without cutting their favorite social programs (Medicare and SS).
    The Tea Party favors them by a super majority and doesn't want them cut.

    So far reality hasn't met with most Americans fantasy of what costs our government the most.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    and that is the sad truth. and that's what this thread really boils down to - how good will the Republicans prove to be as educators? we can't (sadly) turn all of them in to Paul Ryan.

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