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Thread: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It has to be done though, the spending on it will get even worse if something isn't done.
    They basically have 1 choice, cut benefits one way or another.
    We could be going the "death panels" route
    Saying there has to be change is alot different from saying there has to be this change. Cp uses that argument alot too, and it is a total failure. We all know Medicare is a problem that has to be solved. This solution however is a total failure of a solution. A much better solution is to work on the causes of the rapidly escalating medical costs, which will help across the board.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Republicans stand alot, though, to contrast their Medicare changes with the Presidents' plan. Both propose to cut Medicare expenditures, but Republicans should emphasize that they would give future retirees the ability to choose where their Medicare dollars go; whereas the President would have an unnaccountable board make one-size-fits-all cutting decisions and imposing them on all seniors starting tomorrow. Republicans save Medicare for future generations, whereas the President puts that duty onto a panel that he pretty-promises to appoint... in 2014.

    I don't know how successful it would be, given that Democrats tend to "own" the entitlement issues and Republicans don't take as naturally to the "my opponent wants to murder sick children and the elderly" schtick as Democrats do.... but hey, this is a time of change in such sea conditions, and attitudes about which party can be trusted on the entitlements and the economy may be changing.
    That is the most hilarious spin on telling seniors that they will be lucky to afford health care in the future I have ever heard.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Saying there has to be change is alot different from saying there has to be this change. Cp uses that argument alot too, and it is a total failure. We all know Medicare is a problem that has to be solved. This solution however is a total failure of a solution. A much better solution is to work on the causes of the rapidly escalating medical costs, which will help across the board.
    Depending on who you ask, Medicare is the problem.
    Art Laffer did a study on it that concluded as Medicare being one of the major drivers in medical cost inflation.

    Aside from that, the government already sets reimbursement rates for each procedure and most of the claims are processed through automation, almost all 1.2 billion of them.

    As every other country has found, end of life care costs the most, we could place a hard cap of $50k on each elderly person to curb costs, like many single payer countries do.
    They would be spun out to be "death panels" by either party that didn't institute it.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Depending on who you ask, Medicare is the problem.
    Art Laffer did a study on it that concluded as Medicare being one of the major drivers in medical cost inflation.

    Aside from that, the government already sets reimbursement rates for each procedure and most of the claims are processed through automation, almost all 1.2 billion of them.

    As every other country has found, end of life care costs the most, we could place a hard cap of $50k on each elderly person to curb costs, like many single payer countries do.
    They would be spun out to be "death panels" by either party that didn't institute it.
    Again, yes there is a problem, and again, acknowledging that does not by default mean that you support this proposal, nor that this proposal is the best one.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, yes there is a problem, and again, acknowledging that does not by default mean that you support this proposal, nor that this proposal is the best one.
    Personally I don't care as long as it's cut.
    I'm not expecting a reasonable plan to get through Congress on any budget subject.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Depends on how observant and/or fatigued the American people are. As the American people are sentimentally populist and perceive Wall-Street as privileged - a source of a lot of ire against the "pro-corporation" Obama stimulus, and one which the Republicans cautiously employed against him - any significant reduction in their benefits with no losses incurred on the part of the wealthy naturally plays into the Democrats' hands. However, at this time the American people might be too tired to care about the Republicans' Wall-Street sympathies, which coupled with Ryans' popularity and the still somewhat energetic Tea Party might be enough to disarm any indignation the Democrats could rouse against the bill.

    I strongly dislike their ideology, platform, and character, but I have to acknowledge their resourcefulness: if there's a time for the Republicans to take drastic action and break their image as the "party of no" while incurring minimal losses to their power and influence, now's it.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How will this budget affect the 2012 election?

    • It will help Obama/Democrats
    • It will help Republicans
    • Don't know
    • No change
    The effect will likely be minimal. Tea party members may like the budget better than others, but overall, most who look at it won't. It's that constant disconnect among voters who want programs but don't want to pay for them.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Assuming they use it properly, this will absolutely help democrats. All they need to do is advertise what is actually in the bill.
    If they stop lying about what's in the bill, it will help the Republicans.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If they stop lying about what's in the bill, it will help the Republicans.
    Which lies, specifically?
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If they stop lying about what's in the bill, it will help the Republicans.
    No need to lie about it for it to hurt republicans. Just point to Medicare changes. Just point to the changes to tax code.
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