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Thread: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    The results speak to your question

    I knoiw what they meant, I was a part of it.

    The man is ruining your Party....shall we speak of his negatives?


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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    The results speak to your question

    I knoiw what they meant, I was a part of it.

    The man is ruining your Party....shall we speak of his negatives?
    No they do not. In fact, people tend to vote based on how the economy is, and who is in power. That is, when the economy is bad, they vote for the side not in power, and in midterms tend to vote for the party the president is not. Both those situations happened. So where is your evidence?
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    I don't think there will be a change. Conservative thinktanks are already getting them to change phrasing and such. I think as long as obama doesn't screw up to bad and the GOP uses this plan like everyone is goin to love it then it could help dems otherwise no.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    It depends on how good of salesmen the Republicans turn out to be. the more they put Ryan out in front, the better they are.

    It also depends on how susceptible seniors and independents remain to Democrat fear-mongering. That appears to be the Democrats main solution to a debt crises - demagogue the grownups for offering solutions. They might oversell this, though, and if Republicans are smart enough to turn them into an object of riducule for it, then they can moot its' effects.

    So we get a real chance this time around to find out if Americans still have the capacity for self-government.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Medicare changes will scare a lot of people, and rightly, as well.
    It has to be done though, the spending on it will get even worse if something isn't done.
    They basically have 1 choice, cut benefits one way or another.
    We could be going the "death panels" route
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Republicans stand alot, though, to contrast their Medicare changes with the Presidents' plan. Both propose to cut Medicare expenditures, but Republicans should emphasize that they would give future retirees the ability to choose where their Medicare dollars go; whereas the President would have an unnaccountable board make one-size-fits-all cutting decisions and imposing them on all seniors starting tomorrow. Republicans save Medicare for future generations, whereas the President puts that duty onto a panel that he pretty-promises to appoint... in 2014.

    I don't know how successful it would be, given that Democrats tend to "own" the entitlement issues and Republicans don't take as naturally to the "my opponent wants to murder sick children and the elderly" schtick as Democrats do.... but hey, this is a time of change in such sea conditions, and attitudes about which party can be trusted on the entitlements and the economy may be changing.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Too funny....the single largest repudiation since the 40's

    Yes, let's spin that

    So school me kids...how can we spend like this and stay afloat...don't bother with anybody's "fair share" crap either.

    We cant but Tax cutting the rich and corporations down to nothing while making the middle class pay off the debt isnt going to float either

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Republicans stand alot, though, to contrast their Medicare changes with the Presidents' plan. Both propose to cut Medicare expenditures, but Republicans should emphasize that they would give future retirees the ability to choose where their Medicare dollars go; whereas the President would have an unnaccountable board make one-size-fits-all cutting decisions and imposing them on all seniors starting tomorrow. Republicans save Medicare for future generations, whereas the President puts that duty onto a panel that he pretty-promises to appoint... in 2014.

    I don't know how successful it would be, given that Democrats tend to "own" the entitlement issues and Republicans don't take as naturally to the "my opponent wants to murder sick children and the elderly" schtick as Democrats do.... but hey, this is a time of change in such sea conditions, and attitudes about which party can be trusted on the entitlements and the economy may be changing.

    CPwill the problem the republicans are going to have is not with their cutting spending, its not with their making the middleclass that can afford it pay more, its their attack on the working class and their pursuit to have the wealthiest and corporations pay the least possible while take the most they can off me and others like me.
    My congressman must be getting hammered over the ryan plan..hes having his second town hall meeting and hes sending LONG LONG emails that sound like hes almost begging us to believe the ryan plan is a good plan.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    CPwill the problem the republicans are going to have is not with their cutting spending, its not with their making the middleclass that can afford it pay more, its their attack on the working class
    i'm unaware of any such assault. are they gunning working people down in the streets? perhaps they are putting in legislation that forbids folks with working class parents from attaining government positions?

    however, 6 out of 10 households recieve more from the Federal Government than they pay in taxes. you just plain don't reduce the deficit without changing that math.

    and their pursuit to have the wealthiest and corporations pay the least possible while take the most they can off me and others like me.
    evil, evil republicans, wanting you to have a job. why, the nerve of them.

    oh wait, are you referncing the non-existant "tax cuts" in the Ryan plan?

    My congressman must be getting hammered over the ryan plan..hes having his second town hall meeting and hes sending LONG LONG emails that sound like hes almost begging us to believe the ryan plan is a good plan.
    yup, Republicans took a pretty big risk deciding to be the party that went first in acting like adults. Unfortunately, Democrats seem more interested in seizing what political advantage they can from Republicans making that risky move than they do in following suit. Now we get to see if the American people are fundamentally adults, or if we will bang our sippy cups and scream for endless goodies.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    We cant but Tax cutting the rich and corporations down to nothing while making the middle class pay off the debt isnt going to float either
    actually, the middle class is where the money is. seems counterintuitive, i know. But you could tax everyone that makes $100,000 at a rate of 100% and still not balance this year's budget, much less when our boomers really crash the entitlements.

    past politicians of both parties wrote American's a series of bad checks we don't have to like it, but that's the reality - we have promised more than we have the ability to pay. ergo, we must pay less than we have promised. the entitlements are largely aimed at the middle class, and so they will feel the pain of it.

    welcome to fiscal reality.

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