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Thread: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    14.5 trillion in debt....increasing debt to 15.5 by the end of this FY. Congress that spends money like crack addicts. World investors that are on the verge of killing our credit rating. A dependent class that wants more spending...more money. Oh yes...you are 'on' to the conservative game plan...debt reduction and avoidig a financial collapse.
    Right, throwing the old and sick to the street are going to get the GOP elected in 2012? You do realize that the elderly are the only sizable block of voters the GOP has, do you not? Tally ho then! Its going to be a fun election!
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Right, throwing the old and sick to the street are going to get the GOP elected in 2012? You do realize that the elderly are the only sizable block of voters the GOP has, do you not? Tally ho then! Its going to be a fun election!
    Only to people that are stupid enough to believe that is what the plan does.

    The debt must be dealt with. I have stated it needs to be a combination of across the board cuts AND an increase in taxes. I have no doubt that the 2012 election is going to be a disgusting partisan crapfest littered with the same kind of **** you have been posting. Its going to be disgusting...and ultimately...instead of doing what needs to be done for the fiscal future of this country its going to be more of the same childish garbage that has put us in what will be a 15.5 trillion dollar hole by the end of this fiscal year. You should swell with pride.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Only to people that are stupid enough to believe that is what the plan does.
    I do not believe the American people are as stupid as you do. I wager they will make the correct decision in 2012.

    The debt must be dealt with.
    I agree there is much that needs to be cut, we just have different priorities for what needs to be cut.


    I have stated it needs to be a combination of across the board cuts AND an increase in taxes. I have no doubt that the 2012 election is going to be a disgusting partisan crapfest littered with the same kind of **** you have been posting. Its going to be disgusting...and ultimately...instead of doing what needs to be done for the fiscal future of this country its going to be more of the same childish garbage that has put us in what will be a 15.5 trillion dollar hole by the end of this fiscal year. You should swell with pride.
    Since our trickle down economic policies of the last 30 years brought about the debt problems we have today, those that benefitted from it for 30 years are the ones that need to ante up now, not make further hardship for those that did not benefit from the trickle down policies over the last 30 years.

    A class war has been waged against the middle class by the GOP over the last 30 years and it is inspiring to see the middle class begin to fight back.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I do not believe the American people are as stupid as you do. I wager they will make the correct decision in 2012.
    I agree there is much that needs to be cut, we just have different priorities for what needs to be cut.
    Since our trickle down economic policies of the last 30 years brought about the debt problems we have today, those that benefitted from it for 30 years are the ones that need to ante up now, not make further hardship for those that did not benefit from the trickle down policies over the last 30 years.
    A class war has been waged against the middle class by the GOP over the last 30 years and it is inspiring to see the middle class begin to fight back.
    The dems will be counting on weak minded fools in 2012...people that will swallow the whole "republicans are for killing children, women and old people" bull**** that they spewed during the recent budget spat....a battle that wouldnt have been required had the democrats actually bothered to submit and pass a budget when they controlled the house, senate, and White House-you know...done their job. Their rhetoric is pathetic...but they should have hope...because they will have plenty that will vote for more handouts and free gov cheese. The same crippled and dependent pets that have put them in power will be right there in 2012. They dont care how much debt is incurred, because really...its not like they will ever be responsible for paying the bill.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The dems will be counting on weak minded fools in 2012...people that will swallow the whole "republicans are for killing children, women and old people" bull**** that they spewed during the recent budget spat....a battle that wouldnt have been required had the democrats actually bothered to submit and pass a budget when they controlled the house, senate, and White House-you know...done their job. Their rhetoric is pathetic...but they should have hope...because they will have plenty that will vote for more handouts and free gov cheese. The same crippled and dependent pets that have put them in power will be right there in 2012. They dont care how much debt is incurred, because really...its not like they will ever be responsible for paying the bill.
    You have a very low opinion of the majority of your fellow Americans that I do not share. The Repubs have brought this on themselves. Pain has a way of sharpening a voter's senses, and it has become clear through the current promotion of tax-cuts-for-the-rich-will-fix-everything, which side it is that promotes the source of that pain.

    Ryan's budget proposal lays out for all to see that the GOP is waging class warfare against the working class in this country. This together with the state GOP attacks on worker's rights have resulted in a reawakening within the middle class of the false promises made by the GOP in 2000. Its a slap in the face to the working class, but it definitely got their attention!
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So what we get from all that is that 2020 for insolvency is not accurate
    that's not what we get at all; what we get is that the 2020 date is accurate for the portion of Medicare that is funded by FICA. the portion that isn't is probably screwed prior to that, as the General Fund will be increasingly absorbed by other parts of the entitlement system.

    that in fact solutions exist that do not in essence destroy Medicare
    that is correct. for example, we could switch people under the age of 56 to a premium-support model, which would utilize market pressure to reduce prices.

    and a program which adds to the public debt is bad only if it was not enacted by republicans(Part D)
    Part D should have been paid for - but so should the other portions of Medicare that are dependent on the General Fund (as D was).

    however, since we are on the subject of D, it is worth bringing up that your point here:

    By the way, while Ryan's plan does address the problem, it is just about the worst possible solution, especially since it does nothing with the underlying problem, which is the fact health care costs grow significantly faster than inflation
    is mooted by the Ryan plan, which functions very similarly to D. D, of course, utilized market pressure on healthcare prices and came in 40% under budget. when Indiana offered their public employees an HSA option, which utilizes market pressure on healthcare prices (as does Ryan's plan), they saw an 11% decrease in costs in their first couple of years. not a decrease in growth of costs. not a decrease off of the projected baseline. a straight up no - spin decrease in costs.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Just like what the Republications would do under the same situation. Amazing just how much alike their political scheming is.
    it's almost as if they are politicians..... :p.

    but seriously, i think the Republicans deserve props for actually coming out and putting something serious forward. it was a risky move, and the political wisdom was not to do it.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, it will be, and yeah, it's sad. I despise dishonest rhetoric, no matter who does it.
    i have a feeling you are in for a dissapointing election.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Only to people that are stupid enough to believe that is what the plan does.

    The debt must be dealt with. I have stated it needs to be a combination of across the board cuts AND an increase in taxes. I have no doubt that the 2012 election is going to be a disgusting partisan crapfest littered with the same kind of **** you have been posting. Its going to be disgusting...and ultimately...instead of doing what needs to be done for the fiscal future of this country its going to be more of the same childish garbage that has put us in what will be a 15.5 trillion dollar hole by the end of this fiscal year. You should swell with pride.
    You inadvertently hit on exactly what the entire problem is vance.

    The debt must be dealt with. I have stated it needs to be a combination of across the board cuts AND an increase in taxes.

    The above statement you made is precisely whats WRONG with Paul Ryans plan...he does NOT have across the board cuts he only cuts and takes from the middle class...not only doesnt he include an increase in taxs but he wants literally huge across the board tax CUTS for only the wealthiest americans...Paul Ryans plan is DOA and the teaparty brats had better get off their playbook from Hitlers SS and Gestapo rhetoric...WE WANT WHAT WE WANT AND WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE well screw you teaparty and all the horses you took from the middle class to ride in on.. hah I liked that one lol

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Wow, nice godwining there.

    How about actually talking about Ryan's plan honestly and realistically, in that along with the "broad tax cuts" primarily for the wealthiest Americans that he also is removing hordes of exemptions, primarily used to most effect by the wealthiest Americans?

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