View Poll Results: w will this budget affect the 2012 election?

Voters
41. You may not vote on this poll
  • It will help Obama/Democrats

    16 39.02%
  • It will help Republicans

    8 19.51%
  • Don't know

    10 24.39%
  • No change

    7 17.07%
Page 18 of 23 FirstFirst ... 81617181920 ... LastLast
Results 171 to 180 of 225

Thread: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

  1. #171
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,774

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    No, only the mentally dficient think we can go on spending like this forever......even those of us with "simplistic" views understand what spending more than we make means ....
    That's the problem though, most of the people who really support these programs are the ones who can't comprehend that it can't go on forever. It's one of those things that has gotten California into trouble, people passing bond measure after bond measure for ridiculous things, people passing tax increases because they don't pay taxes, they figure they're never going to personally pay it back so might as well screw others, either in the community or down the road, so they can get theirs right now.

    So long as that's the common thread in America, we're doomed.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

  2. #172
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,492

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    How is the tea party "radical and extreme"? I think our government, and its deficit that is radical and extreme. Wanting a balanced budget, reduced spending, and representatives that are acountable is now "extreme"?

    Please.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  3. #173
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,774

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    How is the tea party "radical and extreme"? I think our government, and its deficit that is radical and extreme. Wanting a balanced budget, reduced spending, and representatives that are acountable is now "extreme"?

    Please.
    You have to remember who you're talking about though, lots of liberals see anything but their own little liberal worldview as extreme.

    Consider the source.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

  4. #174
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:43 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,781

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    well then that's on you isn't it. there are numerous differences that are clear as day, coporate welfare for one. Power is another. Libertarians favor very limited government while repulicans tend to favor strong social intervention into persona lives such as the DOMA and DADT.






    I disagree, standing for tax raises at this point when the average family is struggling makes little sense. Even when taxing the "rich" (200k is not "rich" in the north east by any stretch of the imagination), this leads only to the Small businesses not hiring, and "rich" people not spending. A lose lose situation for America.
    Libertarians were always more extremist on issues that I care about and their ideas far more dangerous and whacko. But the libertarians were about as potent as the eunuch in the whorehouse is. They could not get elected dog catcher in a town with no dogs. But then they infiltrated the GOP and now we have this whole tea party thing that the libertarians have glommed onto the way lice gloms onto a mangy cur and for the first time ever they actually are a threat.

    So there is no distinction to me because now its like one big interbred family and you can no longer tell one from the other.

    You solution is a perfect example why nothing will be done on this. I am willing to compromise. You seem totally unwilling to do anything of the sort.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  5. #175
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,492

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Libertarians were always more extremist on issues that I care about and their ideas far more dangerous and whacko. But the libertarians were about as potent as the eunuch in the whorehouse is. They could not get elected dog catcher in a town with no dogs. But then they infiltrated the GOP and now we have this whole tea party thing that the libertarians have glommed onto the way lice gloms onto a mangy cur and for the first time ever they actually are a threat.

    So there is no distinction to me because now its like one big interbred family and you can no longer tell one from the other.

    You solution is a perfect example why nothing will be done on this. I am willing to compromise. You seem totally unwilling to do anything of the sort.



    I am more than willing to "compromise" however given the bloat of the federal government is would be asinine to hand them more money before there is law stating that any increase in revenue would go strictly to paying off the debt and in no way this money or any further increase in government spending would happen. If you can codify a moritorium on spending and a law stating any increase in government revenue would go to reducing the deficiet, then and only then would I support talk regarding an increase in taxes.

    That is an actual compromise, having the government say "I promise" is about as trustworthy as a liberal with a spending bill.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  6. #176
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:43 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,781

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I am more than willing to "compromise" however given the bloat of the federal government is would be asinine to hand them more money before there is law stating that any increase in revenue would go strictly to paying off the debt and in no way this money or any further increase in government spending would happen. If you can codify a moritorium on spending and a law stating any increase in government revenue would go to reducing the deficiet, then and only then would I support talk regarding an increase in taxes.

    That is an actual compromise, having the government say "I promise" is about as trustworthy as a liberal with a spending bill.
    You are not going to get that. You might get a portion of it. That is the way compromise works.

    Until those who feel like you accept that and put aside your ideology- there will be solution. But perhaps that is the real goal?
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  7. #177
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,662

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    The legislation itself is irrelevant. Politicians during the last debate over 312 million were claiming republicans want to kill children, women, and old people and serve them as appetizer dishes at rich people cocktail parties. Sadly, there are some people actually stupid enough to believe the rhetoric.
    Many dont give a **** about a 15.5 trillion dollar debt. To them it is irrelevant because its someone else that will have to pay the debt. Just keep that free gov cheese coming...thats all they care about.
    Intelligent people understand that the current practices are unsustainable and that mindlessly whining about 'the rich' isnt a solution. Cuts have to be made. Grown up decisions have to be made. Reality sucks.

  8. #178
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,492

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are not going to get that. You might get a portion of it. That is the way compromise works.

    Until those who feel like you accept that and put aside your ideology- there will be solution. But perhaps that is the real goal?


    so we should increase spending and taxation to reduce the debt? What?


    Talk about ideology, I have a saying... "you can't kill the beast while your still suckling on its teat." Tell me in what world is it ok to increase spending when we can't pay for what we have? Now that's an extremist view.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  9. #179
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:43 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,781

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    so we should increase spending and taxation to reduce the debt? What?


    Talk about ideology, I have a saying... "you can't kill the beast while your still suckling on its teat." Tell me in what world is it ok to increase spending when we can't pay for what we have? Now that's an extremist view.
    Now you are ignoring reality.

    We can increase taxation to bring in needed additional revenues for valuable public needs and services.
    We can use some of the money to pay off the debt.
    They are not mutually exclusive.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  10. #180
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,492

    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now you are ignoring reality.

    We can increase taxation to bring in needed additional revenues for valuable public needs and services.
    We can use some of the money to pay off the debt.
    They are not mutually exclusive.


    Except that you have now increased the budget, what you propose is taxing people into oblivioun to pay for this bloated hog of a government and all programs for the dependent class...


    That's not compromise at all.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

Page 18 of 23 FirstFirst ... 81617181920 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •