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Thread: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ryan's bill specifically does take from programs that benefit those people, and does reduce tax costs of the wealthy. That is part of his bill Barb.
    It takes Medicaid and gives it to the states. I believe they would be better able to spend it wisely than the fed government.
    The taxes he is proposing would bring corporate taxes inline with the rest of the world and would encourage American jobs. The loop holes being taken out for special interest like GE enjoys would make up for the cuts. What's the difference from 35%-25% when those like GE pay nothing due to those loopholes?
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It takes Medicaid and gives it to the states. I believe they would be better able to spend it wisely than the fed government.
    No it does not. It turns Medicare into a voucher program that seniors can use to buy private insurance from state sponsored pools. This is entirely and completely not what you just said.

    The taxes he is proposing would bring corporate taxes inline with the rest of the world and would encourage American jobs. The loop holes being taken out for special interest like GE enjoys would make up for the cuts. What's the difference from 35%-25% when those like GE pay nothing due to those loopholes?
    No. Here is what the Ryan plan, as per the plan itself that I linked to says on corporate taxes:

    This new rate is roughly half that of the rest of the industrialized world.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There were people that were gungho teaparty Nov2nd that arent for them any longer..I am one and I know others and im sure theres more middleclass republicans that are becoming aware of what the teaparty is about.
    I have no crystal ball but the Ryan plan has more potential to hurt republicans than democrats with ANOTHER huge tax reduction just for the wealthiest and corporations and of course having the middle class pay through the nose for debt reduction while they enjoy another windfall. Middleclass is going to wake up to that
    If the Tea Party can "stay on topic" they will gain support. That is, stay non partisan. The first thing the Tea Party needs to realize is that the GOP is full of the same kind of idiots the Democratic party has. Support fiscally responsible candidates no MATTER what color their badge says. Oh, and to be honest, if America could get away from electing lawyers, we'd do ourselves a HUGE favor..


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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ryan's bill specifically does take from programs that benefit those people, and does reduce tax costs of the wealthy. That is part of his bill Barb.
    Review & Outlook: Paul Ryan and His Critics - WSJ.com
    Tax cuts for "the rich." The Ryan budget outline by design does not provide many tax specifics, aside from an instruction to the Ways and Means Committee to propose a reform plan that would swap lower rates for fewer loopholes and special exclusions. This overhaul is not even a net tax cut—the instructions are to design a reform that is revenue neutral. It would hold tax receipts to their post-World War II average of between 18% to 19% as a share of the economy.

    The liberal claim that this means a tax cut for the wealthy is based entirely on the fact that marginal tax rates would decline, even though the loopholes primarily benefit higher-income taxpayers. At any rate, Mr. Obama's own deficit commission also favored lowering the rates and broadening the base for a more efficient and competitive tax code. Medicare "cuts." The Mediscare machinery is grinding into gear, and the same people who say Mr. Ryan is imposing too much pain on seniors by requiring them to pay a larger portion of their health costs also claim that he's a coward for exempting everyone in or near retirement. In other words, the soup is terrible and the portions are too small.
    Mr. Ryan's plan, known as premium support, would gradually bring down health costs and spending, but it's a "cut" only in the sense of slowing the rate of growth. The premium support subsidy—for seniors to choose from a list of regulated private health plans—would start at $15,000 a year and increase annually. It is also means-tested to provide more help for lower-income seniors.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Barb, that is an opinion piece. I quite specifically listed why it is in fact a tax cut for the wealthy. Note my specifics and actually linking to Ryan's plan.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    something has to give people. Somethign has to be cut... someplace. We cannot tackle the debt and deficit issues by just taxing rich people, it won't work. We cannot even do it by taxing everybody (see other thread). There will HAVE to be changes in taxation, yes. But coupled with drastic spending cuts... yes, some popular programs will suffer. That's just the reality of the situation.
    If Dems don't get onboard and start taking this seriously, we're in big trouble.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To an extent I agree with this. One of the strengths of Bill Clinton was he took republican ideas and made him his own(see for example NAFTA), pissing off both sides in the process. What I think happens is that we have republican ideas and democratic ideas, and no one wants to look for the good in the other sides ideas.
    They used to have the ability to compromise..before OBAMA and Pelosi and Reid..the liberals have caused all this vitriole, they started it last congress and when Obama took office...Obamacare was the most disgusting abuse of Power ive ever seen in my lifetime. The glaring gloating sneering face of Pelosi every step of the way made america vomit. Those 3 created the Teaparty Brats and they alone share the blame for this uncompromising assault by the teaparty...and us middleclass are stuck in the middle of it...we need to rise up and shut both sides the hell up.
    The teaparty is just as bad as the far left and so are some of the CONSERVATIVES on this board and others...every republican that doesnt totally follow their creed is a <gasp> RINO to be dragged into the middle of the street and killed...

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Barb, that is an opinion piece. I quite specifically listed why it is in fact a tax cut for the wealthy. Note my specifics and actually linking to Ryan's plan.

    You are totally correct Redress ive read the entire ryan proposal twice and its literally a candy store of tax gimmes to the wealthiest of americans and a direct vicious assault on the quality of life for the middle class and those that can least afford it..and I doubt it will pass and ryan knew that, thats why he threw every tax deduction imaginable and the kitchen sink in there in the hopes he'll net some tax cuts FOR HIMSELF.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    They used to have the ability to compromise..before OBAMA and Pelosi and Reid..the liberals have caused all this vitriole, they started it last congress and when Obama took office...Obamacare was the most disgusting abuse of Power ive ever seen in my lifetime. The glaring gloating sneering face of Pelosi every step of the way made america vomit. Those 3 created the Teaparty Brats and they alone share the blame for this uncompromising assault by the teaparty...and us middleclass are stuck in the middle of it...we need to rise up and shut both sides the hell up.
    The teaparty is just as bad as the far left and so are some of the CONSERVATIVES on this board and others...every republican that doesnt totally follow their creed is a <gasp> RINO to be dragged into the middle of the street and killed...
    I do not agree that it is all the democrats. They have played their part, but republicans have done their share to see that compromise is as difficult to reach as possible.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ryan's plan does do the following(source:A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans):

    Eliminates the Alternative Minimum Tax. This benefits only the rich

    Eliminates taxes on capital gains, interest, and dividends. This benefits the rich much more than any one else.

    Eliminates the socalled death tax. This benefits only the rich.

    Massively reduces corporate taxes.
    The AMT removal does not benefit only the rich, it hits middle class people to.
    It was never indexed for inflation, so it was originally meant for the rich but it eventually started hitting middle class people because of the lack of the inflationary adjustments.

    Corporate taxation represents double taxation on those who invest with a company.
    Corporation pays taxes on it's profits and then the investor pays taxes on their profits after the corporation.
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