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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No need to lie about it for it to hurt republicans. Just point to Medicare changes. Just point to the changes to tax code.
    The tax code where Dems say Ryan's plan will give tax breaks for the rich, neglecting to say his plan does away with loop holes (tax breaks) and will put the rich on the same playing field as small business?
    As far as Medicare, his plan needs work, but the elderly, disabled and autistic children will not be "left to fend for themselves"
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Ryans bill takes money from the old, the disabled, the autistic children and gives it to the rich.
    Ryan's bill specifically does take from programs that benefit those people, and does reduce tax costs of the wealthy. That is part of his bill Barb.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The tax code where Dems say Ryan's plan will give tax breaks for the rich, neglecting to say his plan does away with loop holes (tax breaks) and will put the rich on the same playing field as small business?
    As far as Medicare, his plan needs work, but the elderly, disabled and autistic children will not be "left to fend for themselves"
    what loopholes will he do away with?

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    something has to give people. Somethign has to be cut... someplace. We cannot tackle the debt and deficit issues by just taxing rich people, it won't work. We cannot even do it by taxing everybody (see other thread). There will HAVE to be changes in taxation, yes. But coupled with drastic spending cuts... yes, some popular programs will suffer. That's just the reality of the situation.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The tax code where Dems say Ryan's plan will give tax breaks for the rich, neglecting to say his plan does away with loop holes (tax breaks) and will put the rich on the same playing field as small business?
    As far as Medicare, his plan needs work, but the elderly, disabled and autistic children will not be "left to fend for themselves"
    Ryan's plan does do the following(source:A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans):

    Eliminates the Alternative Minimum Tax. This benefits only the rich

    Eliminates taxes on capital gains, interest, and dividends. This benefits the rich much more than any one else.

    Eliminates the socalled death tax. This benefits only the rich.

    Massively reduces corporate taxes.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    something has to give people. Somethign has to be cut... someplace. We cannot tackle the debt and deficit issues by just taxing rich people, it won't work. We cannot even do it by taxing everybody (see other thread). There will HAVE to be changes in taxation, yes. But coupled with drastic spending cuts... yes, some popular programs will suffer. That's just the reality of the situation.
    None of which addresses the topic of whether this plan is good or bad.
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ryan's plan does do the following(source:A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans):

    Eliminates the Alternative Minimum Tax. This benefits only the rich

    Eliminates taxes on capital gains, interest, and dividends. This benefits the rich much more than any one else.

    Eliminates the socalled death tax. This benefits only the rich.

    Massively reduces corporate taxes.

    You forgot the income tax reduction for the wealthiest americans from 35% to 25% thats a full 28.2% decrease in their taxs

    The Ryan plan is a candy store for the Rich and a death sentence for the middle class

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You forgot the income tax reduction for the wealthiest americans from 35% to 25% thats a full 28.2% decrease in their taxs

    The Ryan plan is a candy store for the Rich and a death sentence for the middle class
    What is funny is I cannot find a list of deductions eliminated anywhere. Funny that....
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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What is funny is I cannot find a list of deductions eliminated anywhere. Funny that....
    Cmon redress your a smart guy, smarter than I am for sure...this is a page out of Rahm Emmanuels playbook never let a crisis get wasted.
    The GOP. MY PARTY is using this horrific economic turmoil for the rich to capitolize on paying no taxs and making the middle class pay through the nose....they will pay in the end

    Last congress with Nancy Pelosi and this one with the teaparty brats shows just how important balance is you cant let either of these parties grab total control.

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    Re: The Ryan/Republican Budget - 2012 elections

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Last congress with Nancy Pelosi and this one with the teaparty brats shows just how important balance is you cant let either of these parties grab total control.
    To an extent I agree with this. One of the strengths of Bill Clinton was he took republican ideas and made him his own(see for example NAFTA), pissing off both sides in the process. What I think happens is that we have republican ideas and democratic ideas, and no one wants to look for the good in the other sides ideas.
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