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Thread: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I agree with a lot of what you have said here.

    I really believe that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme where new entrants are paying off older members. Like all Ponzi schemes it will crash and leave many holding the bag.
    We can't keep treating our grandkids like this. I feel some generation is going to have to bite the bullet and I almost feel it should be the baby boomers.

    For my grandkids I never plan to retire. I feel many of my generations are not going to be running around the country in RVs chasing the sunshine and buffet counters. We are going to have to work until physically unable to.

    Even with all that I think some type of retirement program is needed. Americans just don't save. Just look at the average credit card debt. If we don't force them to save then they will become a burden to others when they can no longer work and that doesnt seem fair.
    Good points. Social Security WAS intentionally set up to be a ponzi scheme; It was a "contract between generations" - You support generation A and generation C will support you.

    A lot of people got hundreds of times more out of it than they put into it.

    It can be fixed without throwing it away altogether.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Anti Constitutionalist ?
    Hater of Freedom?
    Leader of Democratic Party?
    WOW
    .........to see Americans quoting the words of a Self proclaimed Socialist as a "solution"........WOW indeed.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I'm very happy for you, Then you should have no trouble supporting the millions of people who are too old to work and have no money because there was no system to assure they did.

    Life's has been very good to you and that's great. You worked hard and deserve it.

    We could wave a magic wand and make everybody as well adjusted as you.

    People do stuff like live beyond their means but more often they have kids to feed and educate and a health setback and sacrifice.
    That's why I already said, and I'm getting tired of repeating it, that those who are currently too old to work and invest in their future should still get the social security they've been paying into all this time. The people who ARE NOT TOO OLD should not be paying into the system, they should be working and investing on their own to ensure their own retirement.

    The fact is, you're giving people an excuse for being lazy and stupid. I refuse to do that. People ought to be required to be intelligent, rational and self-sufficient. If they don't, screw 'em. There ought to be a high level of expectation and a requirement that people be responsible for themselves. If you do that and don't make exceptions, people will meet the expectations, that or starve to death. We should have a social safety net that catches people when they fall and puts them back on their feet, it shouldn't help those who are too lazy to ever get up in the first place.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Good points. Social Security WAS intentionally set up to be a ponzi scheme; It was a "contract between generations" - You support generation A and generation C will support you.

    A lot of people got hundreds of times more out of it than they put into it.

    It can be fixed without throwing it away altogether.
    And people complain about insurance companies, good lord.

    So it's alright for a person to craft a contract in their favor and make someone who does not exist yet, responsible for it in the future.
    If a business were doing this, people would be universally outraged.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And people complain about insurance companies, good lord.

    So it's alright for a person to craft a contract in their favor and make someone who does not exist yet, responsible for it in the future.
    If a business were doing this, people would be universally outraged.
    would you please identify for us the PERSON who crafted a contract in their favor (relative to this thread topic)
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would you please identify for us the PERSON who crafted a contract in their favor (relative to this thread topic)
    The people who voted for the program and the people who continue to support it.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people who voted for the program and the people who continue to support it.
    so it wasn't a PERSON
    it was the government acting on behalf of the public
    thus we can conclude your prior post was erroneous and misleading ... there was no person crafting a contract in their own favor
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so it wasn't a PERSON
    it was the government acting on behalf of the public
    thus we can conclude your prior post was erroneous and misleading ... there was no person crafting a contract in their own favor
    an interesting misunderstanding of representative government



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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    an interesting misunderstanding of representative government
    delighted you think so. please unravel it by showing what i posted was untrue
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    delighted you think so. please unravel it by showing what i posted was untrue
    please establish that your claim was true

    you do understand the concept of representation don't you



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