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Thread: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    That seems fair. If it is that way, too, I would allow an opt-out measure, but make sure the people who take it are very financially secure and really don't have to supplement their other retirement income.
    Why? Are you their mother?

    end the damn program, and make it perfectly plain that it's not coming back, that people who are foolish with their money will not be happy old ladies, unless they put their son through medical school or married him off to a doctor.l

    It's past time people stopped pretending the government, whose only instrument is force, should be allowed the authority to tell a man how to run his life, or be allowed the authority to take from others what is needed to patch up the mistakes a man makes of his life.

    People who want to play Florence Nightengale have the freedom to do so, what they don't have, what they should never have, is the means to use the frightening power of government to compel compliance with their fantasies. Let them use their own money if they want to be altruistic.

    In fact, it's only when they're using their own money can they even pretend to be altruistic.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Anti Constitutionalist ?
    Hater of Freedom?
    Leader of Democratic Party?
    WOW
    So, you've never visited a web page where people talk honestly of the enemies the Republic has to face?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    So, you've never visited a web page where people talk honestly of the enemies the Republic has to face?

    Welcome.
    How he is he a "hater of freedom"? Or hell even an "anti consitutionalist"?
    He is not the "leader of the democratic party" either. Yea he caucuses with them. Last time i checked he has spoken out against Obama, much legislation the Dem's have passed or try to pass...
    And man oh man. Never knew you where the decider of the "enemies of the Republic"...

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Why? Are you their mother?

    end the damn program, and make it perfectly plain that it's not coming back, that people who are foolish with their money will not be happy old ladies, unless they put their son through medical school or married him off to a doctor.l

    It's past time people stopped pretending the government, whose only instrument is force, should be allowed the authority to tell a man how to run his life, or be allowed the authority to take from others what is needed to patch up the mistakes a man makes of his life.

    People who want to play Florence Nightengale have the freedom to do so, what they don't have, what they should never have, is the means to use the frightening power of government to compel compliance with their fantasies. Let them use their own money if they want to be altruistic.

    In fact, it's only when they're using their own money can they even pretend to be altruistic.
    If people don't know what a CD is, how can you expect them to plan for their retirement. If all the government is doing is keeping your money in a lockbox and its a program where you can opt out, you have a serious concern against that?
    I want SS to end, too, but your stance here is ridiculous.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How he is he a "hater of freedom"? Or hell even an "anti consitutionalist"?
    He is not the "leader of the democratic party" either. Yea he caucuses with them. Last time i checked he has spoken out against Obama, much legislation the Dem's have passed or try to pass...
    And man oh man. Never knew you where the decider of the "enemies of the Republic"...
    In the make believe land where Snorkum is Mayor anything is possible whether it makes sense or not. In the real world however, it doesn't mean diddly squat.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Yall yall yall yall

    This is just like "It's the parents fault. They need to get more involved" For the last 157 years. Hey guess what? The parents are not going to get more involved teaching the kids. YOU have to do it and stop making excuses.

    People don't make enough money , first of all, to be investing it for retirement. They are struggling from pay check to pay check and certainly not thinking about retirement. They are in an emergency! A perpetual emergency. They never have any money to sock aside

    Yes, that's all they have at retirement but for 30 years they have had 15.3% of their money tucked away for them. Money they could never touch.

    If not for this system they would have nothing, No money to live on in their old age. Let's keep this in mind while thinking about how to improve the system. Doing away with it is not an option.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    People don't make enough money , first of all, to be investing it for retirement. They are struggling from pay check to pay check and certainly not thinking about retirement. They are in an emergency! A perpetual emergency. They never have any money to sock aside
    Funny, I'm not living pay-check to pay-check, I make plenty and I've got plenty of money for investing, both for retirement and for income. The problem is, people are living beyond their means, trying to compete with the Jones' and living on credit. Irresponsible living is always going to put you in the poor house. Those who get a good education, make good decisions and don't get in over their heads rarely have problems. It's the ones who act like there's no tomorrow who have issues.

    People need to be responsible for themselves.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Funny, I'm not living pay-check to pay-check, I make plenty and I've got plenty of money for investing, both for retirement and for income. The problem is, people are living beyond their means, trying to compete with the Jones' and living on credit. Irresponsible living is always going to put you in the poor house. Those who get a good education, make good decisions and don't get in over their heads rarely have problems. It's the ones who act like there's no tomorrow who have issues.

    People need to be responsible for themselves.
    I agree with a lot of what you have said here.

    I really believe that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme where new entrants are paying off older members. Like all Ponzi schemes it will crash and leave many holding the bag.
    We can't keep treating our grandkids like this. I feel some generation is going to have to bite the bullet and I almost feel it should be the baby boomers.

    For my grandkids I never plan to retire. I feel many of my generations are not going to be running around the country in RVs chasing the sunshine and buffet counters. We are going to have to work until physically unable to.

    Even with all that I think some type of retirement program is needed. Americans just don't save. Just look at the average credit card debt. If we don't force them to save then they will become a burden to others when they can no longer work and that doesnt seem fair.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Funny, I'm not living pay-check to pay-check, I make plenty and I've got plenty of money for investing, both for retirement and for income. The problem is, people are living beyond their means, trying to compete with the Jones' and living on credit. Irresponsible living is always going to put you in the poor house. Those who get a good education, make good decisions and don't get in over their heads rarely have problems. It's the ones who act like there's no tomorrow who have issues.

    People need to be responsible for themselves.
    I'm very happy for you, Then you should have no trouble supporting the millions of people who are too old to work and have no money because there was no system to assure they did.

    Life's has been very good to you and that's great. You worked hard and deserve it.

    We could wave a magic wand and make everybody as well adjusted as you.

    People do stuff like live beyond their means but more often they have kids to feed and educate and a health setback and sacrifice.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and what of the people who have spent their careers paying into it, anticipating those SS monies to be available to them upon their retirement ... what would you have them do?
    If it the wonderful system they say it is, the money should be there, now shouldn't it. If it's a ponzi scheme, then we need people to keep paying into it.
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