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Thread: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. Social Security is about hurting a lot of people in the future to buy votes from people today.

    All social programs are about buying votes, first, the details of the programs are irrelevant.
    You keep telling yourself that.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. It was both bad policy and unconstitutional when FDR foisted it on the nation, and neither of those facts have changed.
    Funny, I don't recall the SC declaring it as such...so it must be your opinion that its unconstitutional, which in the grand scheme of things, like my opinion as well, doesn't matter.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The only way to do that is to not allow the government to place demands on the people's retirement plans in the first place.

    Then, to keep the government's hands off private accounts, you people better stop whining about how unfair life is and how nice things would be if the government did something, and start demanding the government shrink itself back into the Constitutional boundaries it's supposed to be kept in.

    Stop voting for liberals, people.
    The entire reason Social Security started was as a backstop against poverty for the elderly who didn't plan for their retirement and that's exactly what it ought to be today. It is not, nor has it ever been intended to be a lifetime paycheck that you can live on, it's to keep you off the streets eating out of trash cans. As such, I have no problem with it, so long as it's a system where you get back what you paid into it, plus whatever interest has accrued over the years and nothing more. I really object to people who paid little or nothing getting the same cut as people who paid lots of money throughout their entire lives.

    Trust me, I don't vote for liberals, but these days, I'm finding it harder and harder to vote for so-called conservatives either.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    You keep telling yourself that.
    Don't need to. The facts speak for themselves. Your choice to not listen is not the Mayor's problem.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The entire reason Social Security started was as a backstop against poverty for the elderly who didn't plan for their retirement and that's exactly what it ought to be today.
    Well, that's nonsense. The entire reason Social Security was proposed was to buy votes from the OLD, to establish an isolated class that could be pampered with special programs and in return those people would vote for the politicians pandering to them. Divide and conquer is a strategy as old as human conflict, and your failure to recognize new battle grounds speaks well of your naivete and baseless trust in the goodness of politicians.

    That the OLD were harmed by the Depression is undeniable. So was everyone else. But it was a wonderful excuse to create a dependency program in violation of the strictures of the Constitution, wasn't.

    It is not, nor has it ever been intended to be a lifetime paycheck that you can live on, it's to keep you off the streets eating out of trash cans.
    That's what families are for.

    That's what charities are for.

    That's not what governents are for, and that's not what the Constitution allows.

    As such, I have no problem with it, so long as it's a system where you get back what you paid into it, plus whatever interest has accrued over the years and nothing more.
    You mean, getting a rate of return of 0.5 to 1.0 % on the dollar as opposed to the much greater rates of return on private investments, plus the added bonus of creating an inheritable estate to be handed down for private accounts versus a $255 dollar burial voucher when you croak from Social Security?

    [quote]I really object to people who paid little or nothing getting the same cut as people who paid lots of money throughout their entire lives.[/qutoe]

    The Mayor really objects to the government having first claim on a man's paycheck.

    Trust me, I don't vote for liberals, but these days, I'm finding it harder and harder to vote for so-called conservatives either.
    There's no reason, from your above post, you should feel any sort of ideological separation from the enemies of the Republic labeling themselves as "liberals", "progressives", or "socialists".

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    SS is a prime example of what happens when congress thinks it is smarter than the constitutional boundaries and the lapdog courts think that ignoring the tenth amendment will allow for the greater good



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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Saving Social Security
    The highly successful program, under attack by Republicans and Wall Street, can easily be shored up for future retirees.


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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    That's not what governents are for, and that's not what the Constitution allows.
    I agree, that's not what governments are for, which is why I already said that for people who are young enough to plan for their own retirement ought to stop paying into the Social Security program and just invest the money for their own future. Those who have been paying into the system for years and years and who cannot reasonably invest that money, even if given back to them, for a retirement ought to be grandfathered into the existing system. Eventually, the last people using the existing system will die off and we can rid ourselves of Social Security entirely.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The entire reason Social Security started was as a backstop against poverty for the elderly who didn't plan for their retirement and that's exactly what it ought to be today. It is not, nor has it ever been intended to be a lifetime paycheck that you can live on, it's to keep you off the streets eating out of trash cans. As such, I have no problem with it, so long as it's a system where you get back what you paid into it, plus whatever interest has accrued over the years and nothing more. I really object to people who paid little or nothing getting the same cut as people who paid lots of money throughout their entire lives.

    Trust me, I don't vote for liberals, but these days, I'm finding it harder and harder to vote for so-called conservatives either.
    That seems fair. If it is that way, too, I would allow an opt-out measure, but make sure the people who take it are very financially secure and really don't have to supplement their other retirement income.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Bernie Sanders....self described Socialist.......Anti-Constitutionalist....Hater of Freedom.....revered leader of the Democrat Party.
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    Anti Constitutionalist ?
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