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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you are preaching to the converted. tell it to him:
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    There is a difference between the living, breathing Constitution that you see and the amendment process. The Constitution does not say whatever we want it to say. It is very clear, and if you don't like it, you are supposed to amend it, not hire judges that interpret it to mean whatever you want.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! See Anarchy then, third door down on the right.
    You obviously don't get it. Our law is not respected in this country. Pointing it out does not make me an anarchist. How in the world do you even reach that conclusion?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    There is a difference between the living, breathing Constitution that you see and the amendment process. The Constitution does not say whatever we want it to say. It is very clear, and if you don't like it, you are supposed to amend it, not hire judges that interpret it to mean whatever you want.
    Surely SOME of their decisions are agreeable to you?
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Surely SOME of their decisions are agreeable to you?
    Well that's a whole lot of decisions for me to say absolutely wrong on every single one.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You obviously don't get it. Our law is not respected in this country. Pointing it out does not make me an anarchist. How in the world do you even reach that conclusion?
    That's what you get with him.

    Just watch what happens when you get him cornered.
    He'll automatically jump to an appeal to popularity.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You obviously don't get it. Our law is not respected in this country. Pointing it out does not make me an anarchist. How in the world do you even reach that conclusion?
    There is a very small minority that does not respect the law in this country. They are generally referred to as crimminals or anarchist. I happen to be one of the majority that belive's in the rule of law in this country. If there were a majority that felt as you do, you could vote in the fascist type of government that you would prefer.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is a very small minority that does not respect the law in this country. They are generally referred to as crimminals or anarchist. I happen to be one of the majority that belive's in the rule of law in this country. If there were a majority that felt as you do, you could vote in the fascist type of government that you would prefer.
    perfect timing.

    Mischaracterization of ones position all wrapped up in an appeal to popularity.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's what you get with him.

    Just watch what happens when you get him cornered.
    He'll automatically jump to an appeal to popularity.
    Yeah, imagine that in a country who's policy is set by the majority of the people.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah, imagine that in a country who's policy is set by the majority of the people.
    phat and I typically debate things based on factual and moral reasoning, you debate things based on popularity.
    Most of your arguments aren't supported but by the loosest interpretations of what may be called facts.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is a very small minority that does not respect the law in this country. They are generally referred to as crimminals or anarchist. I happen to be one of the majority that belive's in the rule of law in this country. If there were a majority that felt as you do, you could vote in the fascist type of government that you would prefer.
    The vast majority of people in this country support social security and welfare. Those are not constitutional and could only pass when FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court.

    HG is the best.

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