View Poll Results: Should we Eliminate Social Security

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  • Yes, no replacement

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  • Yes, but with a replacement

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  • No, we should wait until it goes bankrupt

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    26 43.33%
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I don't think that would have had any effect on their decisions. It was obvious the scheme was unconstitutional on its face, and was not going to get anywhere with Congress.
    You're kidding right?

    There have been at least 2 times in the past that free speech has been curtailed against the government.
    It was passed by congress.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You're kidding right?

    There have been at least 2 times in the past that free speech has been curtailed against the government.
    It was passed by congress.
    which two times are you referencing?
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    As a child I like the idea, however when I become an adult, I would say I need to be responsible for myself. And I don't have any disabilities or problems that prevent me from taking care of myself without external care of some sort. The biggest thing about SS to me thats wrong with it is the precedent it sets. It coddles people, and we need to become more independent, and more aware of our economic states rather than less, which is what SS encourages, IMO.
    I will say that's a good reply. Nothing I would scold anybody about like I always seem to. We've certainly seen lots of evidence of that coddling. But matching funds might also get people to earn more. I guess exactly like it did me. I don't want to get stuck taking care of the millions of people with no safety net. Amd I don't want you to either.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So what?
    That doesn't mean it was right.
    Just shows that it has been the realty. You didn't address my observation, "And even the Conservative court has not overturned SS on Constitutional grounds."


    It does give me power, it says so right there in the Constitution.
    The powers not delegated to the government are delegated to the states or the people.

    I am one of the people.
    That is correct, and we the people have the power to change our government through our votes.



    I find it so ironic that you decry Bush, yet support a president who was infinitely more fascist than Bush ever was or could be.
    I don't only defend Obama in areas where it is deserved. You haven't seen me defending his continuance of the so called "war on terror" have you? And you haven't seen me defending his continuance of a bloated, imperialistic-sized military have you?
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If it was extremely well managed the money wouldn't have been spent to cause an internal government debt.

    The fund was extremely well managed, and it was routinely robbed. Two different things. Did you vote for the candidated that proposed locking the funds from being robbed?
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Eh, I question your source.
    That is funny! You question historians and throw up an editorial from WorldNetDaily as your rebuttal. While it explains about the origins of your false notions, it hardly refutes the historians.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just shows that it has been the realty. You didn't address my observation, "And even the Conservative court has not overturned SS on Constitutional grounds."
    The reality of legal precedent isn't always based on truth.
    That I am fully aware of.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is correct, and we the people have the power to change our government through our votes.
    Except when one group, absolutely refuses to let another, live their life as they see fit.




    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't only defend Obama in areas where it is deserved. You haven't seen me defending his continuance of the so called "war on terror" have you? And you haven't seen me defending his continuance of a bloated, imperialistic-sized military have you?
    You've been the one tooting the "our forefathers" line, directly linking back to some of the most quasi fascist presidents in history.
    I find it quite ironic that you do that, but decry Bush.

    It's just a huge inconsistency in your belief system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The fund was extremely well managed, and it was routinely robbed. Two different things. Did you vote for the candidated that proposed locking the funds from being robbed?
    Not two different things at all.
    If it were well managed, then it would not have been taken from, by the managers.
    It's a contradictory statement.

    I was not old enough to vote for Al Gore, nor any other.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Roaring Twenties were a time of unprecedented prosperity.
    That ended with the worst depression in our history. I prefer the more long lasting prosperity for the Middle class brought about by FDR's programs.

    "On the surface, the scenario sounds unlikely. But a growing cadre of economic analysts note the steady erosion of the middle class, and the loss of its massive buying power. In a recent article, my Daily Finance colleague Charles Hugh Smith laid out a fairly clear argument for the disappearance of the middle class, at least in terms of wealth. As Smith notes, the top 20% of the American populace holds roughly 93% of the country's financial wealth, and the top 1% of the country holds approximately 43% of the money in the U.S. Meanwhile, the middle 20% of the population -- what would, officially, be called the middle class -- holds only 6% of the country's total assets. While disturbing, even this minuscule share of the wealth pie dwarfs the bottom 40% of the country, who control less than 1%."

    "If the low wages, dangerous workplace conditions and a suicidal workforce sounds familiar, it's because that describes the conditions in many American factories in the late 1800's and early 1900's. This situation was largely remediated by the growing power of organized labor, which successfully pushed for minimum wage, collective bargaining, reasonable work weeks, and many of the other rights that today's workers enjoy. Yet, in the past few decades, "the unions" have become an all-purpose scapegoat for inflexible work rules and the rising cost of American-made goods, as low-cost overseas labor has led to massive outsourcing. And in recent years, some of that reputation may be deserved. Yet the fact remains that organized labor did much to create the American middle class.

    If the middle class is to rise to anything approaching its former power, American manufacturing must rebound. While the U.S. is still in the upper ranks of the world's largest consumers, its economy is rapidly slipping down on the global list. According to some economists, China's economy is on track to overtake the U.S. by 2040; ten years later, India will also outstrip America. Economic strength requires a strong manufacturing base, but while Asian countries are building theirs, America has slowly allowed its own base to starve."


    See full article from DailyFinance: Disturbing Statistics on the Decline of America's Middle Class - DailyFinance
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    False. Elected officials do not have the right to do anything they please.
    Correct, illegal actions are subject to penalty and they are all subject to recall or no re-election by voters if they do not act in the voters interests. Is there anything else?
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