View Poll Results: Should we Eliminate Social Security

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  • No, we should wait until it goes bankrupt

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Thread: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so it is your learned opinion-as a constitutional scholar-that the general welfare means income redistribution from one part of society to another
    That is not what I said. Try to actually address what I say next time.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is utter horse****. The welfare clause gives no power, it enlarges the enumeration of the listed powers. You shouldn't speak of what you don't know.
    Thanks for your opinion, I believe in the rule of law evidenced by 80 years of it not being successfully challenged in court. And the highest courts have interpreted the Constitution the same way I have.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, it says to 'promote,' not 'provide.' They were thiking of things like Justice and Liberty, not monthly stipends and government cheese.
    Thanks for your opinion!
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is in the Constitution. Our government is to promote the welfare of the people. Not only are we Constitutionally charged with this, it is our moral responsibility to help take care of the less fortunate, and it makes sense if we want a strong country!
    Interesting. Why was our country constitutionally not charged with this during its first 150 years? I mean, I'd assume the founders would follow what they intended...
    Unless, but no. Of course they wanted a welfare state.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is easy to respond to your posts. I simply give back in kind what you gave in your post. Good for the goose, etc.
    Did I just "you are wrong" like you just did? No, I didn't.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion, I believe in the rule of law evidenced by 80 years of it not being successfully challenged in court. And the highest courts have interpreted the Constitution the same way I have.
    You like this last 80 years business don't you? I assume you know what I think of it from the last time this is all you could manage.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Thats for the courts to decide. If they decide it isn't, which in my memory they haven't, then it is allowable. The wonderful thing about the Constitution, is that if you have a question about the constitutionality of something, you can take it to the courts. Given that we've had many of these social programs since FDR, their constitutionality is not a question.

    If you recall, the AAA was declared unconstitutional back then. So, the courts were active around the time SS was passed, adding to the fact that its obviously constitutional. If you think it isn't, find a case to argue against it.
    so tell me

    without resorting to the FDR lapdog justices

    do you honestly think that the general welfare clause meant income redistribution? or the other wlefare schemes of today



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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Interesting. Why was our country constitutionally not charged with this during its first 150 years? I mean, I'd assume the founders would follow what they intended...
    Unless, but no. Of course they wanted a welfare state.
    We evolved.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We evolved.
    So intention doesn't go into what clauses mean.

    Interesting logic...for a complete dipstick.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So intention doesn't go into what clauses mean.

    Interesting logic...for a complete dipstick.
    Make your case before the Conservative Court and let me know how it turns out.
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