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Thread: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    There's a need to do many things, but it's not the government's job to play nanny to the people.
    It is in the Constitution. Our government is to promote the welfare of the people. Not only are we Constitutionally charged with this, it is our moral responsibility to help take care of the less fortunate, and it makes sense if we want a strong country!
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is in the Constitution. Our government is to promote the welfare of the people. Not only are we Constitutionally charged with this, it is our moral responsibility to help take care of the less fortunate, and it makes sense if we want a strong country!
    so it is your learned opinion-as a constitutional scholar-that the general welfare means income redistribution from one part of society to another



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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so it is your learned opinion-as a constitutional scholar-that the general welfare means income redistribution from one part of society to another
    Thats for the courts to decide. If they decide it isn't, which in my memory they haven't, then it is allowable. The wonderful thing about the Constitution, is that if you have a question about the constitutionality of something, you can take it to the courts. Given that we've had many of these social programs since FDR, their constitutionality is not a question.

    If you recall, the AAA was declared unconstitutional back then. So, the courts were active around the time SS was passed, adding to the fact that its obviously constitutional. If you think it isn't, find a case to argue against it.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is in the Constitution. Our government is to promote the welfare of the people. Not only are we Constitutionally charged with this, it is our moral responsibility to help take care of the less fortunate, and it makes sense if we want a strong country!
    That is utter horse****. The welfare clause gives no power, it enlarges the enumeration of the listed powers. You shouldn't speak of what you don't know.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Thats for the courts to decide. If they decide it isn't, which in my memory they haven't, then it is allowable. The wonderful thing about the Constitution, is that if you have a question about the constitutionality of something, you can take it to the courts. Given that we've had many of these social programs since FDR, their constitutionality is not a question.

    If you recall, the AAA was declared unconstitutional back then. So, the courts were active around the time SS was passed, adding to the fact that its obviously constitutional. If you think it isn't, find a case to argue against it.
    This argument takes no effort, no knowledge, and zero ability. You need to do better than say the courts decide stuff. It doesn't fly. If I was only interested in what a body of people that build cases on top of cases in complete ignorance thought I wouldn't have a mind of my own and there would be no reason to know the truth of what is and isn't constitutional.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This argument takes no effort, no knowledge, and zero ability. You need to do better than say the courts decide stuff. It doesn't fly. If I was only interested in what a body of people that build cases on top of cases in complete ignorance thought I wouldn't have a mind of my own and there would be no reason to know the truth of what is and isn't constitutional.
    What nation are you writing about? Your two posts directly above this one certainly do NOT apply to the Unites States of America in the year 2011.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What nation are you writing about? Your two posts directly above this one certainly do NOT apply to the Unites States of America in the year 2011.
    According to you. I have said exactly what I said before and last time this all you managed. Maybe this time will be different. Nah..

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is in the Constitution. Our government is to promote the welfare of the people. Not only are we Constitutionally charged with this
    Yes, it says to 'promote,' not 'provide.' They were thiking of things like Justice and Liberty, not monthly stipends and government cheese.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    except of course, that if we don't fix it, America fails. and nobody is big enough to bail her out.
    I sorta don't understand what's so hard to fix. Do we just figure on our politicians can't get anything done? Cause it doesn't seem that hard.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    According to you. I have said exactly what I said before and last time this all you managed. Maybe this time will be different. Nah..
    It is easy to respond to your posts. I simply give back in kind what you gave in your post. Good for the goose, etc.
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