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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    an interesting misunderstanding of representative government
    Oh you know how these are, they think cleverly getting people concede on something makes them actual winners. Let the children have their fun.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Today wealth is an image thing, not a substance thing. It is perceived value of homes, cars, toys instead of real value of money stashed away for the future.
    I can have sympathy for some, but most of the poor I know, mostly relatives, simply aimed low and hit the target.
    Odd thing is, I have heard parents complain about their kids wanting more out of life than "just getting by"....
    As my sig implies, every new generation should have more than the previous one, if they want it. There should be no impediments placed in their path, especially the impediment of having to pay for the mistakes of previous generations or borrowing from future generations. Kinda hard to undo the past, but we should be able to determine our own future.
    I fully intend to help fund the education of our 7 grandkids, but while doing so I will be teaching them how grandma and grandpa got "rich", and it wasn't by borrowing money we didn't need, and I will be making sure they understand that if they decide to live foolishly, there will be no college money, and no inheritance.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if that were actually the case, there would never have been observed a need to initiate the social security program in the first place
    There's a need to do many things, but it's not the government's job to play nanny to the people.


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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Some socialists CAN recite the correct answer when told!



    Well, one or the other part of that statement is true, if both are beleived true, you're having a serious comprehension failure.



    Socialism is "stealing from the haves to buy votes from the withouts". It's "Stealing from the successful to ruin their prosperity to give temporary goodies to our followers, the failures and the losers". It's "leveling the playing field with a guillotine". You must be aware that the first uses of the guillotine were in support of the socialists in France after the Revolution, right? France set the standard, most devoutly socialist societies wind up using mass murder to enforce ideologicial purity.

    Russia.
    Germany.
    China.
    Cuba.
    Cambodia.
    Vietnam.

    The list is long, and nearly two hundred million people have been murdered in the name of socialism.

    The Mayor is VERY aware of what socialism is. Socialism is a mechanism that transfers power from the individual to the leader of a collective to use as he sees fit. Not once in human history has that ever ended well for the people giving up their freedom.



    The Constitution is riddled with Clauses and Amendments that protect individual freedom from the ravages of government's good intentions.

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,"

    Naturally, the word promote in no way means "provide". And Liberty cannot exist in a socialist society, not when men are not free to keep what they've earned for themselves.

    There's also the Thirteenth Amendment, if you could be bothered to look it up.

    There's the Eminent Domain Clause that guarantees the right to property.

    There's more. You should read the Constitution some time. It's never too late.



    You obviously are a stranger to the Constitution.



    That one socialist has a voting record that's TO THE RIGHT of the Democrat caucus. So, yes, that makes the Democrats worse than socialists, and that condition is hard to imagine.
    What are you talking about? What is the orm of government was in USSR under Stalin and what not.
    No that whole answer that i am a socialist and love freedom is all correct.
    You obviously think socialism is some totalitarian regime like the USSR under Stalin or you probably even think that NAZI Germany was socialist. Socialism is pretty much democratic control of the workplace, meaning workers have a say in the workplace. It would give people democratic control over political as well as economic matters, rather than the system we have now that concentrates the control of these areas into the hands of a small group of people at the top of the socio-economic ladder. It means giving you control over your workplace rather than in the hands of some board of trustees, the stock holders, or the bosses who are only interested in profit and not your livelihood. And under socialism people have the right to a job with a living wage, decent housing, health care, education, etc.

    Yea i do realize what happened in France. People were murdered. So going by your example because France had a bloody revolution that makes socialist that just kills people left and right for no reason? Right of course mass murder. Its like capitalism is just so non violent and what not, like its the perfect system of pacifism.. Right.....
    I believe you are thinking of communism not socialism. Communism and socialist two different things. And second off most of those people murdered under Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot (pol pot was supported by the US) were actually considered red fascists..

    You call yourself "The Mayor"? Seriously what rock do you live under? And nope once again you have this elementary education of socialism... You think that socialism is this im guessing: Teacher says in 8th grade; "Socialism and communism are pretty much the same thing, the government owns everything: you have a fridge that is not your's its the governments, you have a TV that is not yours its the governments. Everyone is paid the same and its very brutal regime. They have a dictator that rules over everything." Am I correct the "Mayor"?

    Ok You do realize you can still have an economic policy such as socialism and secure Liberty right....? You do realize this right? Remember this "a government of the people, by the people, for the people" It is interpretation. Tell me what is unconstitutional about worker control of the workplace? You do realize that in a socialist economy you will make your money the same way you make it now (i.e., by going to work). People do have different wages. You probably think personal property will be shared by everyone right? Total myth. Socialists do not wish to take away your personal property such as your car, house, fridge, TV, and waht not. What Socialists do desire, however, is worker ownership of utilities, communication, and transportation entities, etc. We also believe that workers must be in control of their work environment. Also small businesses is almost a perfect example of a socialist economy. Today many small businesses operate in a manner similar to what Socialists envision for all enterprises. That is, the "owner" works side-by-side with the "employees," and the whole staff has a say in how the enterprise operates.
    What about the 13 amendment? Are you saying under socialism you are forced to work? You are forced to be a slave? Seriously? Do we seriously have to go over this again(if we do tell me so)?
    You have the right to property under socialism....
    No i am not a stranger to the constitution i am currently studying it buddy.
    Bernie Sanders does not have a voting record to the right of the Democratic caucus! Jesus! Cmon man! (Bernie Sanders on the Issues)

    Please please try to come out of your "Mayor" rock


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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    communism is to socialism as AIDS is to HIV



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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Kind of. If you have 1 house and I have 5, I should pay 5 times more taxes than you.
    Exactly.............
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. so you prefer to live in low tax, free market economic systems like what we had during the 1920's?
    Since I do not think economic depression is a good thing, I of course prefer the 80 year period when the middle class was the strongest?
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    except of course, that if we don't fix it, America fails. and nobody is big enough to bail her out.
    There is no crisis, there is an easy fix. When it is neccesary, it will be implemented.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    You can't assure liberty with socialism. It is a pipe dream.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    People need to realize they have to plan ahead. If they don't, they get left out in the cold. Its sad, and its horrible, but eventually, people will learn to think ahead. If everyone was more thoughtful about their futures, the world would be better off. Thats one of my biggest problems with SS, it coddles people, and sets the precedent that we don't have to worry about retirement as much as we really need to.
    You are speaking of an ideal world. We do not live in an ideal world, and I refuse to throw our elderly and the disabled to the street. That would make our world even less ideal.
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