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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How's that? If a class owns 80% of the country's wealth, they should pay 80% of the taxes, if you are seeking equality.
    Perhaps you should try READING the Sixteenth Amendment?

    "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

    The law says "incomes", not "wealth".

    Nor, btw, does the wording of the Sixteenth Amendment establish an exemption to the Fourteenth Amendment's requirement of Equal Protection, hence, taxes on incomes should be spread equally among the people, either by percentage or tax paid.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I remember all the rich people being shot during our 80 years of progressive taxes before they were slashed in 1981. LOL!!!
    Is there some reason you want to pretend the United States is the only country foolish enough to play with socialism?

    In Cambodia the Khmer Rouge killed anyone that owned books.

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    The Weaver Family, Ruby Ridge.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The system can't work as well with an opt out option. The larger the pool the more effective it is.
    And thus is the problem.

    Socialism never works unless the crude men with the steel-tipped boots, the clubs, and the machine guns are available to make the unbeleiver stay in line.

    And even then, socialism never works, but everyone's part of the losing team.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Perhaps you should try READING the Sixteenth Amendment?

    "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

    The law says "incomes", not "wealth".

    Nor, btw, does the wording of the Sixteenth Amendment establish an exemption to the Fourteenth Amendment's requirement of Equal Protection, hence, taxes on incomes should be spread equally among the people, either by percentage or tax paid.
    And in order to establish equality, our wise forefathers instituted the progressive tax system which assessed those in the top tax brackets 80 % of their income on average through 80 years that created the middle class.

    If a tax class owns 80% of the wealth in the country, why would they expect to be taxed at a lower percentage?
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Is there some reason you want to pretend the United States is the only country foolish enough to play with socialism?

    In Cambodia the Khmer Rouge killed anyone that owned books.
    Please provide your proof that our parents and grandparents were more socialistic than we are today since they supported top tax rates much higher than we do.
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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And in order to establish equality, our wise forefathers instituted the progressive tax system which assessed those in the top tax brackets 80 % of their income on average through 80 years that created the middle class.
    No, not one of those socialist traitors contributed genetic material for the construction of the Mayor, nor was giving goverment the power to reach straight to a man's wages wisdom.

    If a tax class owns 80% of the wealth in the country, why would they expect to be taxed at a lower percentage?
    Because the Sixteenth Amendment cites "income", not "wealth".

    Because the Fourteenth Amendment mandates equality before the law.

    Because even the flaiming socialists who sang this song didn't like socialism when it was applied to them:

    Let me tell you
    How it will be.
    There's one for you,
    Nineteen for me,

    'Cause I'm the taxman.
    Yeah, I'm the taxman.

    Should five percent
    Appear too small,
    Be thankful I don't
    Take it all.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please provide your proof that our parents and grandparents were more socialistic than we are today since they supported top tax rates much higher than we do.
    Since the Mayor did not make that claim, you can provide all the proof you wish.

    The Mayor's ancestors were Americans and hence anti-socialist.

    Look up Snorkum on ancestry.com if you doubt the Mayor's veracity.

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please provide your proof that our parents and grandparents were more socialistic than we are today since they supported top tax rates much higher than we do.
    Its the Mayor anything he says is true and must go


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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The people who ARE NOT TOO OLD should not be paying into the system, they should be working and investing on their own to ensure their own retirement.
    Then I promise you there will be a huge disaster when these people who were supposed to be saving up on their own weren't saving up on their own because they couldn't save up on their own. And so our government decides it is going to bail out these people and you are going to have to pay for your retirement and the retirement of about three others, too.

    Is there anything about your system that prevents this from happening?

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    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Then I promise you there will be a huge disaster when these people who were supposed to be saving up on their own weren't saving up on their own because they couldn't save up on their own. And so our government decides it is going to bail out these people and you are going to have to pay for your retirement and the retirement of about three others, too.

    Is there anything about your system that prevents this from happening?
    And the wise person will have his assets in tangible form, ie, gold coin and bullion,

    Yeah!
    Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
    Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
    But when the taxman comes to the door,
    Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

    "Fortunate Son", CCR.

    When gold hits $2000 an ounce, a hundred thousand dollars will wiegh about three pounds. Three pounds of gold is about twelve cubic inches of gold.

    A roll of quarters is slightly less than two cubic inches, so $100,000 could be disguised as six rolls of quarters.

    There's a reason the socialists snuck that 1099 requirement into the Obama Care travesty to force vendors to report all transactions in excess of $600. The government wanted to start tracking who was buying physical gold.

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