View Poll Results: Should we Eliminate Social Security

Voters
60. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, no replacement

    18 30.00%
  • Yes, but with a replacement

    11 18.33%
  • No, we should wait until it goes bankrupt

    1 1.67%
  • No, its not going to go bankrupt

    26 43.33%
  • Other

    4 6.67%
Page 10 of 34 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 331

Thread: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

  1. #91
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    EUSSR
    Last Seen
    03-24-14 @ 01:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,851

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Just imagine how prosperous it could have been if the rich weren't being robbed.
    It's more than that - the progressive tax system violates the principal of equality.

  2. #92
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Keep it and give people the option to opt out of it if they like. As someone that knows several that have been helped by ssi republican democrat disabled and elderly alike it should be always a right to all Americans.
    SS goes into the general fund making it possible and pretty easy to just ignore any kind of opt out and use the money of the people that opted out anyway to pay for SS. What I'm saying here is SS taxes is nothing but smoke and mirrors and people like myself are aware of it. You just aren't really going to appease anyone that has a clue with such ideas.

    Also dependence on others is never a right, its a liability.

  3. #93
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,107

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    anyway, so at present it looks like at least 10 DP members lack basic math skills.

  4. #94
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Give me one good incentive to work if all my income is being redistributed anyway.
    Personal freedom means that if I work harder than you, I will end up better off than you.
    They'll shoot you if you don't work.

    That's the nature of socialism.

  5. #95
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    It's more than that - the progressive tax system violates the principal of equality.
    The Mayor only has so much desire to educate. Not much point in saying what you said when you'd then be forced to discuss the definition of "equality" with people who believe equality of outcome should be assured by government gunpoint.

  6. #96
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Just imagine how prosperous it could have been if the rich weren't being robbed.
    You mean like now that we have had 30 years of regressivity added to our tax system, with one in seven Americans officially poor. I prefer the strong middle class days myself. But then I don't live in Snorkumville.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  7. #97
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Keep it and give people the option to opt out of it if they like. As someone that knows several that have been helped by ssi republican democrat disabled and elderly alike it should be always a right to all Americans.
    The system can't work as well with an opt out option. The larger the pool the more effective it is.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  8. #98
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    It's more than that - the progressive tax system violates the principal of equality.
    How's that? If a class owns 80% of the country's wealth, they should pay 80% of the taxes, if you are seeking equality.
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  9. #99
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    01-18-13 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,631

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wait so if your a socialist "your a hater of freedom"?
    Some socialists CAN recite the correct answer when told!

    I am a socialist and i love freedom...
    Well, one or the other part of that statement is true, if both are beleived true, you're having a serious comprehension failure.

    You obviously have no idea what socialism is..
    Socialism is "stealing from the haves to buy votes from the withouts". It's "Stealing from the successful to ruin their prosperity to give temporary goodies to our followers, the failures and the losers". It's "leveling the playing field with a guillotine". You must be aware that the first uses of the guillotine were in support of the socialists in France after the Revolution, right? France set the standard, most devoutly socialist societies wind up using mass murder to enforce ideologicial purity.

    Russia.
    Germany.
    China.
    Cuba.
    Cambodia.
    Vietnam.

    The list is long, and nearly two hundred million people have been murdered in the name of socialism.

    The Mayor is VERY aware of what socialism is. Socialism is a mechanism that transfers power from the individual to the leader of a collective to use as he sees fit. Not once in human history has that ever ended well for the people giving up their freedom.

    Where in the constitution does it state what economic policy we have? I am a socialist and i agree with the constitution 100%.
    The Constitution is riddled with Clauses and Amendments that protect individual freedom from the ravages of government's good intentions.

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,"

    Naturally, the word promote in no way means "provide". And Liberty cannot exist in a socialist society, not when men are not free to keep what they've earned for themselves.

    There's also the Thirteenth Amendment, if you could be bothered to look it up.

    There's the Eminent Domain Clause that guarantees the right to property.

    There's more. You should read the Constitution some time. It's never too late.

    Still you obviously have no idea what socialism is..
    You obviously are a stranger to the Constitution.

    Wait sense one socialist is in the Democratic caucus that makes all the democrats socialists and "far leftist"?
    You sir sound truly ignorant. I truly hope that you are being just sarcastic........
    That one socialist has a voting record that's TO THE RIGHT of the Democrat caucus. So, yes, that makes the Democrats worse than socialists, and that condition is hard to imagine.

  10. #100
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Should we Eliminate Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    They'll shoot you if you don't work.

    That's the nature of socialism.
    Yes, I remember all the rich people being shot during our 80 years of progressive taxes before they were slashed in 1981. LOL!!!
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

Page 10 of 34 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •