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Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

Are people who want to defund PP anti-women?


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I find people amusing who only care about the health of people before they are born. They tend to be the same people who want to cut the health programs for those that have already been born.

I have not heard of the GOP proposals to provide something better for women's health services than PP, all I've heard about is their intention to cut funding for woman's health services.

Do you have a link to this proposal?

Perhaps you are not aware there are millions of Americans that cannot afford today's health care costs. That is the reason the women's health care screenings are so critically important.



Are you poor? If not you could probably afford to go to a doctor's office.



Who paid for them?



"Care for Yourself is a program that offers pap tests and pelvic exams, clinical breast exams, breast self-exam training and mammograms to qualified women between the ages of 40 and 64.

The Iowa Department of Public Health has been awarded funds from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to provide a statewide breast and cervical cancer screening program. The goal is to reduce the number of deaths from breast and cervical cancer by screening to detect cancer early, when it is more treatable."

FREE Mammograms and Pap Smears - Planned Parenthood - Southeast Iowa



PP doesn't recieve federal funding for abortions.



How did PP help get Obama elected?

No tax dollars are used for abortions and they are legal. Do you think a poor person is more likely or not to use birth control if it is free?

And are you prepared to pay more for social services needed for more unwanted poor kids, that the increase pregnacies would result in, if we discontinue funding to planned parenthood? Or the increased cases of cancer treatement that have been prevented with cancer screenings?

Abortions are legal.

Not sure I've heard anyone say they have anything better than PP. Planned Parenthood returns $10 in services for each government $1 investment. How do you top that?

"PROPOSED CUTS

The U.S. House recently voted to eliminate the Title X (10) Family Planning Program, which was enacted in 1970 by Republican President Richard Nixon. The program — the only one of its kind, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services — ensures that low-income families have access to contraceptive services, including supplies and information, as well as related preventive services, such as breast, testicular and cervical cancer exams.

“We’re very concerned about the federal activity going on in Congress right now to eliminate Title X,” Gonzales said. “We’ve got 10 (centers) that get Title X funding. So eliminating it would drastically affect us down here.”

“The cuts would be very devastating because right then and there, 6,000 women would not be able to get access to health care — basic, life-saving screenings for cancer, pap smears, breast exams, birth control — all of this preventive care, which saves the taxpayers money,” Gonzales said.

But eliminating the program is not the only attempt by the federal government to debunk the association, the CEO added. The Pence Amendment, which also was passed by the Republican-dominated House, seeks to strip Planned Parenthood of any federal funding by declassifying it as a Medicaid provider, he said. Congress has until April 8 to take action on both measures.

At the state level, legislators are debating whether to reauthorize a five-year program slated to end Dec. 31. The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program makes it possible for low-income women, like Henry, to receive a physical exam, Pap smear and a 12-month supply of birth control for as little as $30 to no cost, Gonzales said. Nearly 8,000 women in the county receive those benefits.

“I don’t have $150 or however much the birth control shot is, plus the doctor’s visit,” Henry said. “It’s expensive.”



FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

Proponents of the proposed cuts argue eliminating the services would help reduce the deficit, but Gonzales believes otherwise.

The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program, which increased services offered to low-income women in Hidalgo County by 40 percent since 2007, saves the state $10 for every $1 invested, Gonzales said.

In 2008, he added, it helped save $20 million for Texas — the state with the highest number of uninsured women in the country — by cutting down on costs associated with unwanted pregnancies and by diagnosing problems before they became more advanced and expensive to treat.

It’s also less expensive to prevent a pregnancy than to pay for so-called Medicaid babies, Gonzales said.

It takes about $240 to provide a woman with preventive family planning services (birth control) for one year, according to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission.

Meanwhile, it costs more than $16,000 per woman for the delivery and first year’s care of the infant for a pregnancy covered by Medicaid — in Texas, more than half the births are covered by the public insurance program.

“It really would add to the deficit rather than reduce the deficit,” Gonzales said. “So to eliminate a program that saves money to the taxpayers, I don’t think is being responsible.”

Because some Planned Parenthood affiliates provide abortion services, Gonzales said, some advocates wish to see the national organization weakened — through funding cuts — as a way to decrease the number of abortions.

But eliminating access to birth control would only do the opposite, he argued.

The Planned Parenthood Association of Hidalgo County does not offer any abortion services, he said. And by law, funding provided by the state and federal governments cannot be used to fund abortion services.

“It’s politics, I think,” Gonzales said. “And I think they’re targeting women … because it makes no sense to go after programs that save taxpayers money.”

Planned Parenthood: Funding cuts would have major impact on local, low-income women The Monitor

There you go.
 
Republicans want to cut funding for the 88% of patients who receive services such as STD testing and Cancer screening because the other 12% is getting abortions. I can't say that is either pro child or anti woman. That is simply an anti abortion stance. Many of the clients they will be cutting services for are adolescents and therefore are children themselves, so you can't really say they are "pro child".

It's just another wedge issue game meant to drum up political points with the GOP base.
 
Ask anyone that loves freedom and they will tell you that paying for something they have no interest to pay for and is not for them is taking their freedom to spend their money on what they want. The fact is facts look like talking points to the people not in the know.

Are you trying to suggest that I don't love freedom? I would hope not.

As for paying for something that they have no interest to pay for...well, welcome to reality. Everyone pays for something that they don't like via thier taxes all the time. I don't care to support the war in Iraq or Lybia. Yet my tax dollars go towards it. I don't care to support convicted murderers and child molesters, yet my taxes goes towards prisons that house them. There are lots of things that I don't support...yet my taxes goes towards them. That is the very nature of taxes...to go towards things that not everyone agrees with. As ole' Abe Lincoln once said..."You can please some of the people some of the time...but you cannot please all the people all of the time".

80 years of progressive judges, yes, means nothing to me. They're either dead fools, or alive fools and either way they're fools.

All of them were progressive huh? I would like to see you back that up with links.

Sounds like you are proving my point.

Then you are not understanding the point.

How does it save me money if those programs are unconstitutional and if people should have to treat their own problems? What is actually happening is progressive ways to fix a problem has made the connections in society painful for all.

Those programs are not unconstitutional. Show me where in the Constitution that it says that the Federal government cannot provide for the welfare of this countries citizens.

Why is half the population in the streets dieing and where can I go and see it?

It is what would happen were you to get your way.

Not sure of your point here, sorry. How does this get back to what I said?

It was to point out that it is much harder for people to provide for themselves today than it was back then. For the simple fact that 1: there are far more rules and regulations and laws today than back then. 2: far less land available per person than back then. If these programs were not provided then there would be far more people that were sick and dieing and living on the streets than there is currently. The price of a large population living on a limited resource.

Australia gives people houses. It results in drug addicts getting homes, destroying them and then asking for another home. Look up public housing in Australia if you wish to find out more. Btw, free housing was in second new deal which FDR was pushing when he died, which was revoked by congress after his death and never went anywhere.

Last I knew we were talking about the United States of America. Not Australia. They may give people houses over there...but we don't over here.

Do I want them to starve? I want to have a choice if I want to feed them. Get some perspective.

Yeah...like that is really working out for places like Haiti or Nigeria. :roll: Charity alone is not enough.

I want a service to be treated like a service, not a right that the people that provide it are slaves to the people that need their service. If they need it they can pay for it or figure out a way to do so. That is all I'm saying on it.

So people don't have a right to medical care? It should be based on thier ability to pay huh? Gotcha.

I was more talking about trains and such, but yes buses for children works as well, but than I'm against public schooling so its kind of implied by that view.

Wait...people don't pay for tickets to get on trains? Trains are owned by the government? Wha? That sure is news to me!

No its not..

Actually, yes it is. Do you really think that a nation of ignorant people could have been a worlds super power? Tell ya what...Examine all of the countries that provide free education. Then examine all the countries that DON'T provide free education. Which ones are not 3rd world countries? Next examine which countries has the most to least violence in it. Which ones provide for free education? Which ones don't?

Capitalism is what made us great, freedom is what made us great. It was what made society as far back as Greece and Rome great. What has destroyed society's since those time however is social programs and over reaching government like we have.

Wow...are you ever ignorant of history. Rome fell not because of social programs or even an over reaching government. Rome fell because Ceasar's children squabbled over who should get what territory. Hell...Rome didn't even HAVE social programs. And they certainly did not have much in the way of Freedoms. At least not what we would call freedoms today....you do know that they still had slavery back then right? And serf's?

Now I will certainly agree that freedom is what made this country great. But freedom alone is not enough.

As for capitalism, sure it also played its part. But it was not the whole of it also...even when combined with Freedom.

Do people save money for retirement the way that they should or are they dependent. It wasn't an avoidance tactic it is part of my entire point of the series of posts.

The ones that can do. The ones that can't don't.

Let me ask you...have you ever lived pay check to pay check? Where the money from one check went towards half the total bills and the next check went towards the other half of the bills? (based on a bi-weekly pay period) I do. There is no chance of putting any money away for retirement when you live like that. It all goes towards bills, food, clothes, school supplies, and medical expenses. Can't even put 1% away much less the 10% the experts recommend.

Fires should be left for the market and roads are not needed. Police however are best handled by the government. Taxes are good when handling things like national security but theft when handling personal interests of individual persons.

Fires should be left to the market? Are you FREAKING CRAZY? You do realize that a fire can, and does, burn down other peoples places also right? One spark from one house fire can spark the next door neighbors house on fire. And so on and so forth. One house fire can literally burn down an entire city. Especially if it was left up to the market. "Oh! your house is on fire? Ok sir..you must pay $1000 in order for us to put it out...wait what? You don't have that kind of money? Well, I'm sorry sir but we can't respond to your house burning down...it just wouldn't be profitable". Yeah...thats a slick idea. :roll:

Roads are not needed huh? You do realize that 1: Our very Constitution demands that the federal government build roads. 2: that without roads then you would have to provide all the needed food, clothing, and necessities by yourself? As such things would not come near you without those roads. Talking about an idiotic statement. :roll:

You could do just as much yourself, just like I could. We don't need government to keep people off the streets.

Really? Then why do we have homeless people in this country? Including veterans?

Not my point. People are angry because CEO's make millions of dollars or even billions and to the most part only because they aren't earning that much.

Only idiots are angry at them. I for one am not. Hell, they could make Trillions and I wouldn't be angry over them making that much. The only time that I would get mad at them is if they did so in a non-honest way.

The mindset is the problem. Welfare programs just strength that mindset in the people. That mindset is a cancer on society and as you have just said has been for thousands of years. Its about time we as species gets past it.

Improperly applied welfare programs do this.

Why should I care?

Why shouldn't you?

Considering that most things people take like the morning after pill kill of pregnancy I would say you know my answer to if they actually fund for it or not.

I have no idea what your stance on the morning after pill is.
 
That doesn't fly, really. You're putting a price on a miracle.

People have got to be more careful. They don't walk in front of cars. do they?

There is very little excuse for getting pregnant and not wanting it. I'd say it's like contracting AIDS from unprotected sex in 2011. Everybody knows what can happen. Getting AIDS and getting pregnant are the same problem with protection.

This is life or death stuff. Just like the truck thing.

If creating a baby was such a miracle then why is it that there are over 6 billion people on this planet...with more on the way? Aren't miracles suppose to be rare and exceptional?
 
I keep on hearing some mis-information in some of the posts about PP..
Like 3% of PP Business is Abortions... Well This is not actually correct..
Yes 3% Medical abortions are performed in 2nd and 3rd trimester.
A majority of their abortion business is in 1st trimester using Drugs like RU-486 (mifepristone/prostaglandin) or prostaglandin to cause the fetus to naturally abort. this procedure is funded by the government and is allowed in the hyde amendment.
this brings abortions up to about 19% of their business. Now they do not provide Mammograms but they do give you referrals to go to mammogram centers. Planned Parenthood does do shady things to get procedure paid for by the feds, I know this because my daughter works for the PP center in Virginia.

You know because your daughter works for PP huh? Gee...where have I not heard this (or some variant of it) before? :roll:

Prove your claims here.
 
I wondered why anybody would be against contraception. Seems God killed some guy for spilling his seed. Which went against Gods commandment to be fruitful and multiply.

Oi, killed the guy! It[s in the bible so I don't see any budging from that stance.

For the record, God, whom I have met, is just being stubborn and wrong about this. We've been fruitful. We've multiplied. We obeyed your commandment, Now stifle it.

If I use my backspace key while editing it totally messes me up here and the post disappears. Imagine my concern.
 
Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.

Everyone has differences of opinion regarding when Life truly begins, it is up to the supreme court to determine when "life" in this country life begins. If they decide 4 months into a pregnancy is when life begins and before that point abortions will be completely legal. Now to deal with your concept that we should pay for the raising of this child through taxation is ridiculous. Why should I pay for another's child, I in no way caused for that child to come into the world and the costs of raising a child is one of the responsibilities you have to accept when you become sexually active. The world would be wonderful if we could afford to put all your plans in action, but that is not fiscally possible without stealing from others to pay for other individuals mistakes.
 
As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.


To impose numerous laws and determination of citizenship, that is why the federal government has the authority to establish in the eyes of the USA when life begins (it might be wrong but it has to be established) otherwise when is an abortion murder? after conception? 5 months in? Or as the baby is coming down the birth canal? I completely disapprove the government "poking their nose up the womb" and planned parenting should be de funded on a federal level, the question I'm dealing with is that in the eyes of the Federal government when is the child alive and thus when would it be considered murder involving abortions.
 
Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.

You assume life begins at conception, the question one would raise is can that entity live on its own, no so no it is not yet life according to some definitions. The government must determine when life begins in order to determine when an abortion would be considered murder. You and your opinion doesn't really matter beyond your vote, it depends upon the supreme court to determine when life begins in the eyes of the state and before that time it should be completely legal to have an abortion.

Now to your second point. First off there is no such thing as free healthcare, someone has to pay for it. Why should I a responsible sexually active individual have to pay for another individuals choice to have a child. Becoming sexually active is a choice, it has repercussions, live with or deal with the repercussions of your decisions. This concept is known as personal responsibility and without it we are doomed.
 
As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.

Nope not mixed signals, remember libertarian means some government, thus the government has to establish a point in which a fetus is considered alive in order to determine murder cases. That is the only part government should have any say in, I don't believe it is a federal matter but it would have to be managed on a state level.
 
I say no. People who want PP defunded believe so not because they are anti-women, but pro-children.

Then pro lifers should make a non profit and unbiased (don't spread lies) health care service center for women. Otherwise, you're attacking women's health care and you don't seem to care about that.
 
Not so at all. If they only did "women's health issues" and not abortion, I wouldn't care the slightest. You know the problem is the controversial abortion part of PP. Don't pretend that everyone who wants to defund PP wants women to get cervical cancer. That's just stupid.

Defunding PP will affect women's health care services and screening.... maybe it will affect abortion rates. MAYBE. But if a PP closes down in my neighborhood it will only affect women's health care services and not abortion, because no PPs in my metro area preform abortion. All the abortion providers here are private clinics, and they don't provide health care services to the community...
 
It's not anti-women to want to defund PP. It's because I support womens' rights that I want to see them born. The federal government should defund every organization that provides for abortions. There are other places people can go if they need contraception or crisis pregnancy care.



I believe abortions are anti-family as it kills an unborn family member. Contraception ends at conception, and unplanned pregnancy doesn't justify an abortion even if contraception fails. A woman can go other places to receive healthcare. Many things like mammograms and other "services" of PP are not preformed there and merely refer women other places.

Nothing is pro woman about the pro life movement...
 
So the blogs say PP endorsed Obama, this is how PP got Obama elected? And the independents took heed of this endorsement and voted for Obama rather than McCain?

I never said PP got him elected. They helped. They are huge supporters of his and vice versa. There are also many people who think PP is the greatest thing that ever happened for women. An endorsement from them is a "big ****ing deal" as Biden would say. He's only the second presidential candidate they have ever endorsed. It would hurt him if they withdrew their endorsement this time around.
So, like I said, PP will never be defunded as long as he has the veto pen.
 
Of course, it saves me money and makes our country stronger.

Explain why it must be Planned Parenthood which has been shown to be corrupt.
There are other providers that do the same thing. Howerer, I still think Fed funding has no place in it. We are broke. Leave it to the individual states if they want to fund them. If the saving are so great ( I doubt those numbers) why wouldn't they?
This is just the first one I came to when I binged "Family Planning"
Looks like a Planned Parenthood without the bad name.

Family Planning Health Services
 
I keep on hearing some mis-information in some of the posts about PP..
Like 3% of PP Business is Abortions... Well This is not actually correct..
Yes 3% Medical abortions are performed in 2nd and 3rd trimester.
A majority of their abortion business is in 1st trimester using Drugs like RU-486 (mifepristone/prostaglandin) or prostaglandin to cause the fetus to naturally abort. this procedure is funded by the government and is allowed in the hyde amendment.
this brings abortions up to about 19% of their business. Now they do not provide Mammograms but they do give you referrals to go to mammogram centers. Planned Parenthood does do shady things to get procedure paid for by the feds, I know this because my daughter works for the PP center in Virginia.

Yea, that 3% sounds pretty ridiculous when the fact is 1 out of 8 of their clients get an actual abortion (not an abortion pill)
 
I'm starting to realize how useless these "are theses people...? Is that group............racist. polls

If you wonder about this stuff just ask a question. All it does is cause ill will. Every single one of these threads is vile.
 
About those free mammograms :roll:


Pajamas Media » Planned Parenthood: Limiting Access to Mammograms
Planned Parenthood of Southeast Iowa advertises free mammograms provided by the state. It is apparent from the webpage that Planned Parenthood is not performing the mammogram — but you’ll also notice helpful and valuable information is not provided, either. There is no reference to the state’s webpage with detailed information on the program, or to the county administrators in charge of the program. Instead, readers are directed to contact Planned Parenthood. Instead of being a conduit of access, they are using the program to drive bodies through their doors, thus injecting themselves into the process and standing in the way of people looking for access to free mammograms.
Google “free mammograms in Iowa” and Planned Parenthood tops the search list over Mercy Medical Center, a facility that actually offers mammograms and even refers potential candidates for free mammograms to the state program’s website so they can get informed without a consultation
 
Yep, I do feel right. But then I don't get my "facts" from biased sites.

I'm sure you get your facts straight from the horse's mouth. Who better to know about PP than PP itself, right?
 

Your source is spinning the truth to create a negative story.

Here is PP's webpage that they refer to:
Application forms can be filled out at all of our clinics. After your application is received, you will either be mailed a packet or contacted by phone to enroll, and we will assist you in setting up an appointment with a local medical provider for your FREE screening. Services at Planned Parenthood of Southeast Iowa may be available on the same day you enroll.
FREE Mammograms and Pap Smears - Planned Parenthood - Southeast Iowa

PP makes it clear that their only role is in helping people get in contact with medical providers who are a part of the program. This isn't controversial, corrupt or questionable at all.
 
Then pro lifers should make a non profit and unbiased (don't spread lies) health care service center for women. Otherwise, you're attacking women's health care and you don't seem to care about that.

You must mean the over 4,000 CPC's that are under constant attack from the left for their "lies".
So sad that the pro-abortionists are so adament about killing babies that they bring lawsuits against those who are trying to save them.
So what if they don't come out and say " we will do everything in our power to help you and save your child" "what we will not do, is refer you to an abortion clinic" or "we do not recommend abortions " we are going to ask you to watch sonograms and possibly graphic abortions" Some may even preach to them about God.
You on the left get angry when abortion providers are demonized, but you demonize Crisis Pregnancy Centers to the point where they are in constant litigation and for what cause? To make sure more pregnancies end without a new life coming into the world. How do they sleep at night is a question I'd like answered.
 
So sad that the pro-abortionists are so adament about killing babies that they bring lawsuits against those who are trying to save them.

1. :roll:
2. We don't have a problem with people who deliver children, we have a problem with people who shove Christianity and morality into pregnant women's faces in order to coerce them and make them feel guilty for using their own minds to make a decision.
 
I never said PP got him elected. They helped. They are huge supporters of his and vice versa. There are also many people who think PP is the greatest thing that ever happened for women. An endorsement from them is a "big ****ing deal" as Biden would say. He's only the second presidential candidate they have ever endorsed. It would hurt him if they withdrew their endorsement this time around.
So, like I said, PP will never be defunded as long as he has the veto pen.

So if one party helps address women's unmet health issues and the greatful women support the party that improved their health, that is bad in your eyes?
 
Explain why it must be Planned Parenthood [/B]which has been shown to be corrupt.

They have not been shown to be corrupt.

There are other providers that do the same thing. Howerer, I still think Fed funding has no place in it. We are broke.

PP saves us money.

"the Guttmacher Institute charted the cost-effectiveness. For every $1 in public money spent on family planning services, the
country saves $4 in Medicaid spending."



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