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Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

Are people who want to defund PP anti-women?


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Not sure I've heard anyone say they have anything better than PP. Planned Parenthood returns $10 in services for each government $1 investment. How do you top that?

Is that "jobs saved" kind of math?
 
if you look at world stats countries with liberal abortion rights have less crime, its simple because most babies that are aborted are done for a reason, i.e. no dad, no money, no love there for that child, which in turn would have been a troubled upbringing, you right wingers sure like to preach less government, but want to make a radical change on decision making, especially that of a woman personal choice.
 
Me too, but for all Americans.

You didn't read what I said or you are replying to half of it again.


Only for those of us that believe in the rule of law then I suppose.

The rule of law? They are people thats job is uphold the rule of law but they are partisan hacks that have proven they have no ability to read English let alone the ability to uphold the rule of law. I don't respect them and their ability to do their job.

By reducing health care costs later in life. Throwing people to the streets is not an option.

That is your moral incentive, now what will do? Will you help them or will you force others to help? Your choice my friend.

We are only as strong as the weakest among us. When all Americans are stronger and healthier, so is our country.

So get out there and help them like I do. Can you manage without asking me to help in your causes?

I have a house, food, healthcare, transportation, and education. My concern is for those less fortunate who do not.

Good.

I think there are many who cannot manage due to various circumstances mostly not in their control.

You are talking about a very small number of people, you know, and I already said what to do.

What theft? I believe in the rule of law.

I explained it; you can understand it. Do so.


Many of us have to contribute to things we don't believe in like the war for oil in Iraq.

I already went over this.


I don't want what they have but I expect them to pay their fair share just like the middle class does.

Does the middle class pay their fair share? You sure about that?

You said,


I saw none of that during the 80 years of the social programs that created the strongest middle class in our history.

I see it everyday on this forum by people like yourself on threads about taxing the rich more. Go figure that we are posting on different forums.

And arguably the middle class was the strongest before social programs..just so you know.

You seem to be under the notion that our only committments are to our own personal greed. If we want a strong country we have to consider the needs of everyone, not just our own.

That is doing just that. You don't understand personal interest all that well, do you?
 
Ok Here I an all against abortion because a fetus is a miracle, just like any person,

Why though are people against contraception? Really? That I don't get. I'm not against abortion because of the bible so I don't know why anybody would be against contraception. At all. So what does the bible say I wonder?

And I'll make a fuss if I think it's stupid.
 
if you look at world stats countries with liberal abortion rights have less crime, its simple because most babies that are aborted are done for a reason, i.e. no dad, no money, no love there for that child, which in turn would have been a troubled upbringing, you right wingers sure like to preach less government, but want to make a radical change on decision making, especially that of a woman personal choice.

That doesn't fly, really. You're putting a price on a miracle.

People have got to be more careful. They don't walk in front of cars. do they?

There is very little excuse for getting pregnant and not wanting it. I'd say it's like contracting AIDS from unprotected sex in 2011. Everybody knows what can happen. Getting AIDS and getting pregnant are the same problem with protection.

This is life or death stuff. Just like the truck thing.
 
The constitution calls for the government to provide for our defense. You may argue that we are in wars that we shouldn't be in, but taking tax payer dollars to pay for them is still constitutional.
I'm not so sure about the funding of PP, NPR, PBS, NEA.

Not so sure it isn't either. These type of things have been done since day one. ;)
 
No matter how you feel about womens rights, do you really feel right about funding PP with tax dollars?



Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz President Makes Almost $400,000 | LifeNews.com

Cecile Richards, the daughter of former Texas Governor Ann Richards, received a salary of $385,163 plus $11,876 in benefits and deferred compensation.
That’s according to the Internal Revenue Service Form 990 Planned Parenthood filed in 2008 — the last year in which the abortion business released a public annual report showing additional financial information.
Planned Parenthood | Planned Parenthood is corrupt and shouldn't receive federal funds | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Planned Parenthood spent more than $1 million in 2010 to get their candidates into office. Once in office, these politicians funnel our tax dollars — $363 million in a single year — back to Planned Parenthood. That’s quite a return on their investment, and it’s all at our expense.
President Obama made it clear in closed-door negotiations with Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) that he would not relent on funding Planned Parenthood. He was willing to shut down the federal government rather than stop the flow of government money to the largest abortion provider in the country
 
Daily Caller...ROFL. Sorry Barb, but really, present facts and not editorials from right wing blogs.

Yes his sources seem a little... biased :p

But his question is still unanswered. Regardless of how you feel about women's rights and whether or not PP does a lot of good significant work, is it really something that TAX DOLLARS should fund? Or should it be funded privately? I love what they do. But I hate how they're funded.
 
Of course not. People who wish to defund Planned Parenthood--a horrible misnomer--are no more anti-woman that those who wish to fund Planned Parenthood with my tax dollars are anti-baby.
 

So the blogs say PP endorsed Obama, this is how PP got Obama elected? And the independents took heed of this endorsement and voted for Obama rather than McCain?
 
Is that "jobs saved" kind of math?

"PROPOSED CUTS

The U.S. House recently voted to eliminate the Title X (10) Family Planning Program, which was enacted in 1970 by Republican President Richard Nixon. The program — the only one of its kind, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services — ensures that low-income families have access to contraceptive services, including supplies and information, as well as related preventive services, such as breast, testicular and cervical cancer exams.

“We’re very concerned about the federal activity going on in Congress right now to eliminate Title X,” Gonzales said. “We’ve got 10 (centers) that get Title X funding. So eliminating it would drastically affect us down here.”

“The cuts would be very devastating because right then and there, 6,000 women would not be able to get access to health care — basic, life-saving screenings for cancer, pap smears, breast exams, birth control — all of this preventive care, which saves the taxpayers money,” Gonzales said.

But eliminating the program is not the only attempt by the federal government to debunk the association, the CEO added. The Pence Amendment, which also was passed by the Republican-dominated House, seeks to strip Planned Parenthood of any federal funding by declassifying it as a Medicaid provider, he said. Congress has until April 8 to take action on both measures.

At the state level, legislators are debating whether to reauthorize a five-year program slated to end Dec. 31. The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program makes it possible for low-income women, like Henry, to receive a physical exam, Pap smear and a 12-month supply of birth control for as little as $30 to no cost, Gonzales said. Nearly 8,000 women in the county receive those benefits.

“I don’t have $150 or however much the birth control shot is, plus the doctor’s visit,” Henry said. “It’s expensive.”



FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

Proponents of the proposed cuts argue eliminating the services would help reduce the deficit, but Gonzales believes otherwise.

The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program, which increased services offered to low-income women in Hidalgo County by 40 percent since 2007, saves the state $10 for every $1 invested, Gonzales said.

In 2008, he added, it helped save $20 million for Texas — the state with the highest number of uninsured women in the country — by cutting down on costs associated with unwanted pregnancies and by diagnosing problems before they became more advanced and expensive to treat.

It’s also less expensive to prevent a pregnancy than to pay for so-called Medicaid babies, Gonzales said.

It takes about $240 to provide a woman with preventive family planning services (birth control) for one year, according to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission.

Meanwhile, it costs more than $16,000 per woman for the delivery and first year’s care of the infant for a pregnancy covered by Medicaid — in Texas, more than half the births are covered by the public insurance program.

“It really would add to the deficit rather than reduce the deficit,” Gonzales said. “So to eliminate a program that saves money to the taxpayers, I don’t think is being responsible.”

Because some Planned Parenthood affiliates provide abortion services, Gonzales said, some advocates wish to see the national organization weakened — through funding cuts — as a way to decrease the number of abortions.

But eliminating access to birth control would only do the opposite, he argued.

The Planned Parenthood Association of Hidalgo County does not offer any abortion services, he said. And by law, funding provided by the state and federal governments cannot be used to fund abortion services.

“It’s politics, I think,” Gonzales said. “And I think they’re targeting women … because it makes no sense to go after programs that save taxpayers money.”

Planned Parenthood: Funding cuts would have major impact on local, low-income women The Monitor
 
The rule of law? They are people thats job is uphold the rule of law but they are partisan hacks that have proven they have no ability to read English let alone the ability to uphold the rule of law. I don't respect them and their ability to do their job.

I have no interest in the radical fringe that does not believe in the rule of law. Continue on in your make believe world.
 
I have no interest in the radical fringe that does not believe in the rule of law. Continue on in your make believe world.

I believe in the rule of law just fine. You believe the supreme court is never wrong when frankly they are partisan hacks. Continue to believe otherwise if you wish.
 
No matter how you feel about womens rights, do you really feel right about funding PP with tax dollars?

Of course, it saves me money and makes our country stronger.
 
Of course, it saves me money and makes our country stronger.

I like how you won't respond to what I said to this line of nonsense.
 
I keep on hearing some mis-information in some of the posts about PP..
Like 3% of PP Business is Abortions... Well This is not actually correct..
Yes 3% Medical abortions are performed in 2nd and 3rd trimester.
A majority of their abortion business is in 1st trimester using Drugs like RU-486 (mifepristone/prostaglandin) or prostaglandin to cause the fetus to naturally abort. this procedure is funded by the government and is allowed in the hyde amendment.
this brings abortions up to about 19% of their business. Now they do not provide Mammograms but they do give you referrals to go to mammogram centers. Planned Parenthood does do shady things to get procedure paid for by the feds, I know this because my daughter works for the PP center in Virginia.
 
I like how you won't respond to what I said to this line of nonsense.

Since I believe in the rule of law, your view that it is illegal is a moot point.
 
yes, pp saves poor people from a worse situation involving another victim, its just as important to them as food stamps and wic, they CANNOT afford it on their own, ive noticed alot of the comments show a lack of understanding of the number of poverty level families in america which is only a GROWING number. I grew up in the south bronx okay, you dont know what its like growing up in hell with no dad and a crackhead mom, only a few kids progress and leave the ghetto, not cracked out, or put in prison. and the ones that stay have only a few job options, lets just say most are illegal and leads to fueling the hate people have on the poor.

so yes, prevent abortion, and since you dont want to fund the abortions with your precious tax dollars, your house being robbed by a gangster should be enough to pay for an unemployed hood raised, or should i say hell raised child.

Yes his sources seem a little... biased :p

But his question is still unanswered. Regardless of how you feel about women's rights and whether or not PP does a lot of good significant work, is it really something that TAX DOLLARS should fund? Or should it be funded privately? I love what they do. But I hate how they're funded.
 
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