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Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

Are people who want to defund PP anti-women?


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Women who want abortions, pay PP for them, the government doesn't fund the. See the Hyde amendment!

This amendment needs to be made permanent. Is that why we had to specify no federal funds for abortions in DC when everyone thought the Hyde Amendment had taken care of that?
Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Opponents of the amendment, such as the National Abortion Federation and the American Civil Liberties Union, assert that it unfairly targets low-income women,[2] stating the amendment effectively ended the provision of abortions for low-income women across the United States through Medicaid, the federal health insurance program for low-income Americans.[3] As a rider attached to the yearly appropriations bill for Medicaid, it occasioned intense debate in Congress each time that it came up for renewal. The original measure made no exceptions for cases of pregnancies that were the result of rape or incest or that threatened the lives of pregnant woman, provoking an outcry from women's rights advocates. As a result, beginning in 1977 language was added to provide for such circumstances; however, the exact wording has varied from one year to the next, subject to the outcome of Congressional bargaining on the issue.
 
Anyway,I think women deserve better than what PP has to offer, and others should too.

I have not heard of the GOP proposals to provide something better for women's health services than PP, all I've heard about is their intention to cut funding for woman's health services.

Do you have a link to this proposal?
 
I support universal healthcare. However it is wrong to say that those who don't support it don't care about the health of born individuals. That is a fallacious argument.

You are the exception to the rule Digsbe, and I applaud you for it! :sun
 
No, but I think they are misguided to exactly what PP does. Yes they provide abortion services, but that is only 3% of their services, and they provide many great services to poor, and under-privileged women.

Also, no tax payer money goes to funding abortions anyway, so I don't see the big fuss.

Close to this: They are not anti-women in intent, but they are in practice.
 
Of course not, but, IMO, they are misers who have no love for mankind....some of them..
Others are anti-abortion and will do anything , right or wrong, to support their cause.....
I'd love to hear from one of them on this forum, but I'll not hold by breath.
 
Of course not, but, IMO, they are misers who have no love for mankind....some of them..
Others are anti-abortion and will do anything , right or wrong, to support their cause.....
I'd love to hear from one of them on this forum, but I'll not hold by breath.

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If you want DC to be covered, give it statehood. They are truly the only people who are taxed without representation.:2razz:

I didn't think they wanted statehood. Besides, what does that have to do with us funding their abortions? I think when tax payers say they don't want to fund abortions, they mean just that. They don't mean except, for DC, Haiti, or Kenya.
 
If you believe in a higher power it's sorta impossible to condone abortion. It's that simple. There no give and take.
 
No, but I think they are misguided to exactly what PP does. Yes they provide abortion services, but that is only 3% of their services, and they provide many great services to poor, and under-privileged women.

Also, no tax payer money goes to funding abortions anyway, so I don't see the big fuss.

They are corrupt. (see other posts of mine)

12% of their total clients get abortions from PP. Over 90% of their pregnent clients get abortions. Call it 3% of services all you want, but it is misleading.
One lady gets a 30 day prescription for BC 12 times in one year. That's 12 services. she also gets tested for STDs 3 times, and she has a pregnancy test. She has racked up 16 services for that year. A lady comes in for an abortion, she has lab work done, gets prep work done, has the abortion, get prescribed BC . She has racked up 4 services. Add the services together from both women = 20 services. Out of 20 services only 1 was for abortion procedure. Keep doing it that way, or similar,
for the 324,008 abortions in 2008 and it's no wonder they can come up with that 3% when they claim well over 10,000,000 services in one year. Personally I'm surprised it's not lower.
 
I didn't think they wanted statehood. Besides, what does that have to do with us funding their abortions? I think when tax payers say they don't want to fund abortions, they mean just that. They don't mean except, for DC, Haiti, or Kenya.

But taxes don't fund the abortion services PP provides.
 
If you believe in a higher power it's sorta impossible to condone abortion. It's that simple. There no give and take.

What you mean is, "If you believe in the higher power that I believe in, it's sorta impossible to condone abortion." That is an incredibly important condition.
 
They are corrupt. (see other posts of mine)

12% of their total clients get abortions from PP. Over 90% of their pregnent clients get abortions. Call it 3% of services all you want, but it is misleading.
One lady gets a 30 day prescription for BC 12 times in one year. That's 12 services. she also gets tested for STDs 3 times, and she has a pregnancy test. She has racked up 16 services for that year. A lady comes in for an abortion, she has lab work done, gets prep work done, has the abortion, get prescribed BC . She has racked up 4 services. Add the services together from both women = 20 services. Out of 20 services only 1 was for abortion procedure. Keep doing it that way, or similar,
for the 324,008 abortions in 2008 and it's no wonder they can come up with that 3% when they claim well over 10,000,000 services in one year. Personally I'm surprised it's not lower.

1. Do you have a source for the highlighted 90% figure.
2. Just because they're clients come to them for abortion does not make them corrupt.
 
What you mean is, "If you believe in the higher power that I believe in, it's sorta impossible to condone abortion." That is an incredibly important condition.

Oh? there are higher powers who condone abortion? Well I didn't know that,
 
I have not heard of the GOP proposals to provide something better for women's health services than PP, all I've heard about is their intention to cut funding for woman's health services.

Do you have a link to this proposal?

Why do women need a government funded special place to go for healthcare services? (Unless you're hinting that soon no one else will be taking Medicaid and Medicare under Obamacare) Can't all their needs be met through regular healthcare providers? What have I missed out on during my life since I've never once used PP or any kind of "family planning services" for my "reproductive" healthcare? I've been plenty poor too, but have had my share of pap smears and breast examines. Mammograms too, but they aren't provided by PP anyway.
The sheer number of abortions PP provides is the only thing that sets them apart from other HC providers. If cutting off their funding....

Oh..crap, I don't know why we are even bothering discussing it. It will not happen as long as Obama is in office. Planned Parenthood helped get him elected and he's not about to let them down now, so close to 2012. They could be found with a thousand born alive babies in their dumpsters instead of one and he still wouldn't budge on their funding.
 
It isn't even a case of anti family, anti life, anti woman or anything else along those lines. Instead it is an issue about taxes, that is all there is to talk about the funding. The federal government has no constitutional authority to raise taxes for this issue or legislate anything about it.

Let's end this idiotic debate once and for all, no one is anti life or anti choice, people truly want both there is just a difference in opinion on when life starts. The supreme court must determine when life starts and no abortions should occur after that point (unless the womans life is endangered), and before that point it is completely within an individuals right to make a decision about their body.

Done, finished, Right wingers you should be satisfied that no life is being taken, and left wingers womans choice is satisfied.
 
I keep hearing how the act of defunding PP is anti-women. Do you believe this is true?
No it is not true. Saying that wanting to de-fund PP amounts is equal to being anti-woman amounts to saying wanting to tear down Wal-Mart is anti-poor.
 
Why do women need a government funded special place to go for healthcare services? (Unless you're hinting that soon no one else will be taking Medicaid and Medicare under Obamacare) Can't all their needs be met through regular healthcare providers?

Perhaps you are not aware there are millions of Americans that cannot afford today's health care costs. That is the reason the women's health care screenings are so critically important.

What have I missed out on during my life since I've never once used PP or any kind of "family planning services" for my "reproductive" healthcare?

Are you poor? If not you could probably afford to go to a doctor's office.

I've been plenty poor too, but have had my share of pap smears and breast examines.

Who paid for them?

Mammograms too, but they aren't provided by PP anyway.

"Care for Yourself is a program that offers pap tests and pelvic exams, clinical breast exams, breast self-exam training and mammograms to qualified women between the ages of 40 and 64.

The Iowa Department of Public Health has been awarded funds from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to provide a statewide breast and cervical cancer screening program. The goal is to reduce the number of deaths from breast and cervical cancer by screening to detect cancer early, when it is more treatable."

FREE Mammograms and Pap Smears - Planned Parenthood - Southeast Iowa

The sheer number of abortions PP provides is the only thing that sets them apart from other HC providers. If cutting off their funding....

PP doesn't recieve federal funding for abortions.

Oh..crap, I don't know why we are even bothering discussing it. It will not happen as long as Obama is in office. Planned Parenthood helped get him elected and he's not about to let them down now, so close to 2012.

How did PP help get Obama elected?
 
From your link:

Who is eligible?

Women between the ages of 40 and 64 who:

Have not had a mammogram or Pap test in the past year
Are not enrolled in Medicare Part B or Medicaid
Have no insurance program for these services
Meet all eligibility requirements and cannot pay the deductible or co-insurance payments
Have a household income meeting the following guidelines:
Annual Gross Income of $23,275 with a household of 1
Annual Gross Income of $31,225 with a household of 2
Annual Gross Income of $39,175 with a household of 3
Annual Gross Income of $47,125 with a household of 4
Annual Gross Income of $55,075 with a household of 5
 
It isn't even a case of anti family, anti life, anti woman or anything else along those lines. Instead it is an issue about taxes, that is all there is to talk about the funding. The federal government has no constitutional authority to raise taxes for this issue or legislate anything about it.

Let's end this idiotic debate once and for all, no one is anti life or anti choice, people truly want both there is just a difference in opinion on when life starts. The supreme court must determine when life starts and no abortions should occur after that point (unless the womans life is endangered), and before that point it is completely within an individuals right to make a decision about their body.

Done, finished, Right wingers you should be satisfied that no life is being taken, and left wingers womans choice is satisfied.

Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.
 
It isn't even a case of anti family, anti life, anti woman or anything else along those lines. Instead it is an issue about taxes, that is all there is to talk about the funding. The federal government has no constitutional authority to raise taxes for this issue or legislate anything about it.

Let's end this idiotic debate once and for all, no one is anti life or anti choice, people truly want both there is just a difference in opinion on when life starts. The supreme court must determine when life starts and no abortions should occur after that point (unless the womans life is endangered), and before that point it is completely within an individuals right to make a decision about their body.

Done, finished, Right wingers you should be satisfied that no life is being taken, and left wingers womans choice is satisfied.

As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.
 
I don't think they are anti-woman but they are ignorant of what Planned Parenthood really does. They are so obsessed with abortion that they ignore all the good the organization does. I read this elsewhere but it made sense to me. If you are anti-abortion you should be for universal healthcare. Countries with universal health care have fewer abortions. If women have access to free birth control they are less likely to get pregnant. This is also true of Planned Parenthood. Without the birth control services they provide we are likely to have more unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.
 
I don't think they are anti-woman but they are ignorant of what Planned Parenthood really does. They are so obsessed with abortion that they ignore all the good the organization does. I read this elsewhere but it made sense to me. If you are anti-abortion you should be for universal healthcare. Countries with universal health care have fewer abortions. If women have access to free birth control they are less likely to get pregnant. This is also true of Planned Parenthood. Without the birth control services they provide we are likely to have more unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.
I agree, however many who say they are pro-life are also against birth control and for that reason they would be against Planned Parenthood. I would go so far as to say these folks are the cause of many pregnancies/abortions as they believe in abstinence-only education.
 
I don't think they are anti-woman but they are ignorant of what Planned Parenthood really does. They are so obsessed with abortion that they ignore all the good the organization does. I read this elsewhere but it made sense to me. If you are anti-abortion you should be for universal healthcare. Countries with universal health care have fewer abortions. If women have access to free birth control they are less likely to get pregnant. This is also true of Planned Parenthood. Without the birth control services they provide we are likely to have more unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.

Dear, people who believe abortion is murder are not going to be looking for good things Planned Parenthood does. Maybe if they split services and had a separate agency for birth control services it would help. Every drug store offers birth control.
 
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