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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Calling those who wish to stop funding PP as anti-woman is like calling those who support PP racist. I am against federal funding of an institution that promotes a way of life many Americans are opposed to. There are a number of citizens who do not support contraceptions and I think it is a shame their hard earned tax dollars have to fund something that goes against their values.

    Also, for the people who voted yes, it seems quite presumptuous and close-minded to assume the reasoning behind someone else's beliefs.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I find people amusing who only care about the health of people before they are born. They tend to be the same people who want to cut the health programs for those that have already been born.
    Did you ever consider there is more than one issue at hand? Did you ever consider that funding for peoples healthcare is not something I consider something I should pay for? Did you ever consider that its not constitutional? Did you ever consider I want people to be dependent on themselves and not me? Did you ever consider I want to keep more of what I earn for myself? Did you ever consider that a strong society is an independent society? Did you ever consider that allowing the government to provide everything in our lives makes us dependent on them? Did you ever consider that by doing so it causes us to lose our freedom? Did you ever consider that government is about shared interests and not the idea of other people paying for your interests? Did you ever consider that social programs cause rifts in society and enemies of the classes? Did you ever consider that social programs allow people to justify hating success? Did you ever consider that those programs are unfair to the people that pay for them? Did you ever consider that abortion is about life and responsibly?

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then I want my Iraq war money back.
    Hey, no arguments here. I wish that money had never been spent or at least have been spent on domestic programs...
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then I want my Iraq war money back.
    This made me laugh, but at the same time, the majority of elected officials elected to go.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I'm sorry. I missed this. Cuts in health care? Certainly not! More health care spending. But spending more smartly. Our health care system works just fine and I ought to know about that more than most people, I've needed good health care a lot and gotten it always.

    If PP helps prevent the the creation of an embryo then they're not completely useless at all. I think contraception is a good thing. But they should provide those services by a organization called "Help for Couples:" and not at planned parenthood which just has a bad name. There are protesters. ewww. I'm not going in there!

    Like ACORN should probably start calling itself "Neighborhood Housing Services"
    I don't see how the name changes would help anything.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And here is the rub. I doubt that ANYONE, even pro-choicers, would have a problem IF there was a viable, workable, alternative plan to not just PP but also to abortion itself. I know for damn sure that I wouldn't. As CC says, without a plan all that would happen is far more problems occuring by the current stance than if there was a decent/good plan to implement to take the current systems place.
    Not sure I've heard anyone say they have anything better than PP. Planned Parenthood returns $10 in services for each government $1 investment. How do you top that?
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't see how the name changes would help anything.
    All of kind of things have done it in the past to run away from a bad image. As long as people aren't aware it used to be PP it would work fine.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    I don't think they care and it's more of a number. It isnt anti or pro anything. I think if you take out the abortion portion they should keep the service as it is invaluable to Americans as tax payers as well.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    [QUOTE=Henrin;1059417514]
    Did you ever consider there is more than one issue at hand? Did you ever consider that funding for peoples healthcare is not something I consider something I should pay for?
    I consider helping my fellow Americans a higher priority than personal greed. But that's just me.
    Did you ever consider that its not constitutional?
    It has been determined to be constitutional for decades without a successful challenge through M/M.

    Did you ever consider I want people to be dependent on themselves and not me? Did you ever consider I want to keep more of what I earn for myself?
    Yes, I am well aware of personal greed. However, PP save us money by preventing pregnancies and health screenings.

    Did you ever consider that a strong society is an independent society?
    You cannot have an strong society where health care is unaffordable for one sixth of the population.

    Did you ever consider that allowing the government to provide everything in our lives makes us dependent on them?
    I don't know anyone that has the government provide everything for them. I don't see many rich people giving away their riches so they can become poor to take advantage of the great deal that poor people have going for them, have you? If so, please provide a link to show me.

    Did you ever consider that by doing so it causes us to lose our freedom?
    What loss of freedom? What freedom did our parents and grandparents lose by supporting the social programs for 80 years that provided the strongest middle class in our history?

    Did you ever consider that government is about shared interests and not the idea of other people paying for your interests?
    Then I want my Iraq money back as the lady said above.

    Did you ever consider that social programs cause rifts in society and enemies of the classes?
    Please point out the rifts in society present during the 80 years of progressive social programs until they were slashed by Reagan, when the class warfare against the middle class was begun.

    Did you ever consider that social programs allow people to justify hating success?
    So we had no successful people during the 80 years of our progressive social programs? That is a figment of your imagination.

    Did you ever consider that those programs are unfair to the people that pay for them?

    They get a $10 dollar return on each $1 invested. Seems more than fair to me.

    Did you ever consider that abortion is about life and responsibly?
    No federal taxes go to fund abortions.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I consider helping my fellow Americans a higher priority than personal greed. But that's just me.
    I consider freedom and responsibility the roots of the society. But that is just me. Your argument is meaningless as you have no idea as to what is actually important.

    It has been determined to be constitutional for decades without a successful challenge through M/M.
    So? They believe the welfare clause like yourself gives power. Their opinion means nothing to the meat of the argument as they haven't a clue.

    Yes, I am well aware of personal greed. However, PP save us money by preventing pregnancies and health screenings.
    How does it save me money when without your programs I would pretty much pay nothing for these people?

    You cannot have an strong society where health care is unaffordable for one sixth of the population.
    How does this support your stance? We can't have a strong society when people aren't accountable for themselves. You fail.

    I don't know anyone that has the government provide everything for them.
    Do you want a free house? Do you want free food? Do you want free healthcare? Do you want free transportation? Do you want free education? Do you want the government to provide what you say you need? Remember FDR wanted healthcare and housing and food. All of which is pretty much everything in life that you work to gain.

    I don't see many rich people giving away their riches so they can become poor to take advantage of the great deal that poor people have going for them, have you? If so, please provide a link to show me.
    I'm sorry, do you think people save money for retirement the way they should or do you think they spend more because social security will be there for them? Answer honestly if you can manage.


    What loss of freedom? What freedom did our parents and grandparents lose by supporting the social programs for 80 years that provided the strongest middle class in our history?
    Theft is loss of freedom. The results of allowing the government to control your health is loss of freedom. I can go on if you wish. Do you wish it? If you dare mention that insurance does the same thing I will assume that you know of how insurance came to be.


    Then I want my Iraq money back as the lady said above.
    I'm sorry, how does that refute anything I Just said?

    Please point out the rifts in society present during the 80 years of progressive social programs until they were slashed by Reagan, when the class warfare against the middle class was begun.
    Do you enjoy that people get a million dollars when you don't? Are you ok with it or do you want some of what they got?

    Aka the rift..enjoy.

    So we had no successful people during the 80 years of our progressive social programs? That is a figment of your imagination.
    Did I say there was no successful people? Can you quote it?


    They get a $10 dollar return on each $1 invested. Seems more than fair to me.
    Your claim makes no sense, furthermore, its not an investment if I'm forced to investment. Also since I don't literally get that money in my pocketbook I don't care for your argument.

    No federal taxes go to fund abortions.
    What was the sentence you quoted again? You do enjoy bringing up things that don't actually argue the points you quote, but its pretty useless.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-18-11 at 04:32 AM.

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