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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2K05GT View Post
    I keep on hearing some mis-information in some of the posts about PP..
    Like 3% of PP Business is Abortions... Well This is not actually correct..
    Yes 3% Medical abortions are performed in 2nd and 3rd trimester.
    A majority of their abortion business is in 1st trimester using Drugs like RU-486 (mifepristone/prostaglandin) or prostaglandin to cause the fetus to naturally abort. this procedure is funded by the government and is allowed in the hyde amendment.
    this brings abortions up to about 19% of their business. Now they do not provide Mammograms but they do give you referrals to go to mammogram centers. Planned Parenthood does do shady things to get procedure paid for by the feds, I know this because my daughter works for the PP center in Virginia.
    You know because your daughter works for PP huh? Gee...where have I not heard this (or some variant of it) before?

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    I wondered why anybody would be against contraception. Seems God killed some guy for spilling his seed. Which went against Gods commandment to be fruitful and multiply.

    Oi, killed the guy! It[s in the bible so I don't see any budging from that stance.

    For the record, God, whom I have met, is just being stubborn and wrong about this. We've been fruitful. We've multiplied. We obeyed your commandment, Now stifle it.

    If I use my backspace key while editing it totally messes me up here and the post disappears. Imagine my concern.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.
    Everyone has differences of opinion regarding when Life truly begins, it is up to the supreme court to determine when "life" in this country life begins. If they decide 4 months into a pregnancy is when life begins and before that point abortions will be completely legal. Now to deal with your concept that we should pay for the raising of this child through taxation is ridiculous. Why should I pay for another's child, I in no way caused for that child to come into the world and the costs of raising a child is one of the responsibilities you have to accept when you become sexually active. The world would be wonderful if we could afford to put all your plans in action, but that is not fiscally possible without stealing from others to pay for other individuals mistakes.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.

    To impose numerous laws and determination of citizenship, that is why the federal government has the authority to establish in the eyes of the USA when life begins (it might be wrong but it has to be established) otherwise when is an abortion murder? after conception? 5 months in? Or as the baby is coming down the birth canal? I completely disapprove the government "poking their nose up the womb" and planned parenting should be de funded on a federal level, the question I'm dealing with is that in the eyes of the Federal government when is the child alive and thus when would it be considered murder involving abortions.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.
    You assume life begins at conception, the question one would raise is can that entity live on its own, no so no it is not yet life according to some definitions. The government must determine when life begins in order to determine when an abortion would be considered murder. You and your opinion doesn't really matter beyond your vote, it depends upon the supreme court to determine when life begins in the eyes of the state and before that time it should be completely legal to have an abortion.

    Now to your second point. First off there is no such thing as free healthcare, someone has to pay for it. Why should I a responsible sexually active individual have to pay for another individuals choice to have a child. Becoming sexually active is a choice, it has repercussions, live with or deal with the repercussions of your decisions. This concept is known as personal responsibility and without it we are doomed.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.
    Nope not mixed signals, remember libertarian means some government, thus the government has to establish a point in which a fetus is considered alive in order to determine murder cases. That is the only part government should have any say in, I don't believe it is a federal matter but it would have to be managed on a state level.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I say no. People who want PP defunded believe so not because they are anti-women, but pro-children.
    Then pro lifers should make a non profit and unbiased (don't spread lies) health care service center for women. Otherwise, you're attacking women's health care and you don't seem to care about that.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Not so at all. If they only did "women's health issues" and not abortion, I wouldn't care the slightest. You know the problem is the controversial abortion part of PP. Don't pretend that everyone who wants to defund PP wants women to get cervical cancer. That's just stupid.
    Defunding PP will affect women's health care services and screening.... maybe it will affect abortion rates. MAYBE. But if a PP closes down in my neighborhood it will only affect women's health care services and not abortion, because no PPs in my metro area preform abortion. All the abortion providers here are private clinics, and they don't provide health care services to the community...

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's not anti-women to want to defund PP. It's because I support womens' rights that I want to see them born. The federal government should defund every organization that provides for abortions. There are other places people can go if they need contraception or crisis pregnancy care.



    I believe abortions are anti-family as it kills an unborn family member. Contraception ends at conception, and unplanned pregnancy doesn't justify an abortion even if contraception fails. A woman can go other places to receive healthcare. Many things like mammograms and other "services" of PP are not preformed there and merely refer women other places.
    Nothing is pro woman about the pro life movement...

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So the blogs say PP endorsed Obama, this is how PP got Obama elected? And the independents took heed of this endorsement and voted for Obama rather than McCain?
    I never said PP got him elected. They helped. They are huge supporters of his and vice versa. There are also many people who think PP is the greatest thing that ever happened for women. An endorsement from them is a "big ****ing deal" as Biden would say. He's only the second presidential candidate they have ever endorsed. It would hurt him if they withdrew their endorsement this time around.
    So, like I said, PP will never be defunded as long as he has the veto pen.
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