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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I like how you won't respond to what I said to this line of nonsense.
    Since I believe in the rule of law, your view that it is illegal is a moot point.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since I believe in the rule of law, your view that it is illegal is a moot point.
    Is this all you got?

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is this all you got?
    If you are interested, go back and read my reasoning.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you are interested, go back and read my reasoning.
    tell me the post number and I will.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    yes, pp saves poor people from a worse situation involving another victim, its just as important to them as food stamps and wic, they CANNOT afford it on their own, ive noticed alot of the comments show a lack of understanding of the number of poverty level families in america which is only a GROWING number. I grew up in the south bronx okay, you dont know what its like growing up in hell with no dad and a crackhead mom, only a few kids progress and leave the ghetto, not cracked out, or put in prison. and the ones that stay have only a few job options, lets just say most are illegal and leads to fueling the hate people have on the poor.

    so yes, prevent abortion, and since you dont want to fund the abortions with your precious tax dollars, your house being robbed by a gangster should be enough to pay for an unemployed hood raised, or should i say hell raised child.

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Yes his sources seem a little... biased :-P

    But his question is still unanswered. Regardless of how you feel about women's rights and whether or not PP does a lot of good significant work, is it really something that TAX DOLLARS should fund? Or should it be funded privately? I love what they do. But I hate how they're funded.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    tell me the post number and I will.
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    I find people amusing who only care about the health of people before they are born. They tend to be the same people who want to cut the health programs for those that have already been born.
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    I have not heard of the GOP proposals to provide something better for women's health services than PP, all I've heard about is their intention to cut funding for woman's health services.

    Do you have a link to this proposal?
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    Perhaps you are not aware there are millions of Americans that cannot afford today's health care costs. That is the reason the women's health care screenings are so critically important.



    Are you poor? If not you could probably afford to go to a doctor's office.



    Who paid for them?



    "Care for Yourself is a program that offers pap tests and pelvic exams, clinical breast exams, breast self-exam training and mammograms to qualified women between the ages of 40 and 64.

    The Iowa Department of Public Health has been awarded funds from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to provide a statewide breast and cervical cancer screening program. The goal is to reduce the number of deaths from breast and cervical cancer by screening to detect cancer early, when it is more treatable."

    FREE Mammograms and Pap Smears - Planned Parenthood - Southeast Iowa



    PP doesn't recieve federal funding for abortions.



    How did PP help get Obama elected?
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No tax dollars are used for abortions and they are legal. Do you think a poor person is more likely or not to use birth control if it is free?

    And are you prepared to pay more for social services needed for more unwanted poor kids, that the increase pregnacies would result in, if we discontinue funding to planned parenthood? Or the increased cases of cancer treatement that have been prevented with cancer screenings?
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Abortions are legal.
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    Not sure I've heard anyone say they have anything better than PP. Planned Parenthood returns $10 in services for each government $1 investment. How do you top that?
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    "PROPOSED CUTS

    The U.S. House recently voted to eliminate the Title X (10) Family Planning Program, which was enacted in 1970 by Republican President Richard Nixon. The program — the only one of its kind, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services — ensures that low-income families have access to contraceptive services, including supplies and information, as well as related preventive services, such as breast, testicular and cervical cancer exams.

    “We’re very concerned about the federal activity going on in Congress right now to eliminate Title X,” Gonzales said. “We’ve got 10 (centers) that get Title X funding. So eliminating it would drastically affect us down here.”

    “The cuts would be very devastating because right then and there, 6,000 women would not be able to get access to health care — basic, life-saving screenings for cancer, pap smears, breast exams, birth control — all of this preventive care, which saves the taxpayers money,” Gonzales said.

    But eliminating the program is not the only attempt by the federal government to debunk the association, the CEO added. The Pence Amendment, which also was passed by the Republican-dominated House, seeks to strip Planned Parenthood of any federal funding by declassifying it as a Medicaid provider, he said. Congress has until April 8 to take action on both measures.

    At the state level, legislators are debating whether to reauthorize a five-year program slated to end Dec. 31. The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program makes it possible for low-income women, like Henry, to receive a physical exam, Pap smear and a 12-month supply of birth control for as little as $30 to no cost, Gonzales said. Nearly 8,000 women in the county receive those benefits.

    “I don’t have $150 or however much the birth control shot is, plus the doctor’s visit,” Henry said. “It’s expensive.”



    FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY

    Proponents of the proposed cuts argue eliminating the services would help reduce the deficit, but Gonzales believes otherwise.

    The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program, which increased services offered to low-income women in Hidalgo County by 40 percent since 2007, saves the state $10 for every $1 invested, Gonzales said.

    In 2008, he added, it helped save $20 million for Texas — the state with the highest number of uninsured women in the country — by cutting down on costs associated with unwanted pregnancies and by diagnosing problems before they became more advanced and expensive to treat.

    It’s also less expensive to prevent a pregnancy than to pay for so-called Medicaid babies, Gonzales said.

    It takes about $240 to provide a woman with preventive family planning services (birth control) for one year, according to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission.

    Meanwhile, it costs more than $16,000 per woman for the delivery and first year’s care of the infant for a pregnancy covered by Medicaid — in Texas, more than half the births are covered by the public insurance program.

    “It really would add to the deficit rather than reduce the deficit,” Gonzales said. “So to eliminate a program that saves money to the taxpayers, I don’t think is being responsible.”

    Because some Planned Parenthood affiliates provide abortion services, Gonzales said, some advocates wish to see the national organization weakened — through funding cuts — as a way to decrease the number of abortions.

    But eliminating access to birth control would only do the opposite, he argued.

    The Planned Parenthood Association of Hidalgo County does not offer any abortion services, he said. And by law, funding provided by the state and federal governments cannot be used to fund abortion services.

    “It’s politics, I think,” Gonzales said. “And I think they’re targeting women … because it makes no sense to go after programs that save taxpayers money.”

    Planned Parenthood: Funding cuts would have major impact on local, low-income women The Monitor
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Republicans want to cut funding for the 88% of patients who receive services such as STD testing and Cancer screening because the other 12% is getting abortions. I can't say that is either pro child or anti woman. That is simply an anti abortion stance. Many of the clients they will be cutting services for are adolescents and therefore are children themselves, so you can't really say they are "pro child".

    It's just another wedge issue game meant to drum up political points with the GOP base.

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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ask anyone that loves freedom and they will tell you that paying for something they have no interest to pay for and is not for them is taking their freedom to spend their money on what they want. The fact is facts look like talking points to the people not in the know.
    Are you trying to suggest that I don't love freedom? I would hope not.

    As for paying for something that they have no interest to pay for...well, welcome to reality. Everyone pays for something that they don't like via thier taxes all the time. I don't care to support the war in Iraq or Lybia. Yet my tax dollars go towards it. I don't care to support convicted murderers and child molesters, yet my taxes goes towards prisons that house them. There are lots of things that I don't support...yet my taxes goes towards them. That is the very nature of taxes...to go towards things that not everyone agrees with. As ole' Abe Lincoln once said..."You can please some of the people some of the time...but you cannot please all the people all of the time".

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    80 years of progressive judges, yes, means nothing to me. They're either dead fools, or alive fools and either way they're fools.
    All of them were progressive huh? I would like to see you back that up with links.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sounds like you are proving my point.
    Then you are not understanding the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How does it save me money if those programs are unconstitutional and if people should have to treat their own problems? What is actually happening is progressive ways to fix a problem has made the connections in society painful for all.
    Those programs are not unconstitutional. Show me where in the Constitution that it says that the Federal government cannot provide for the welfare of this countries citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is half the population in the streets dieing and where can I go and see it?
    It is what would happen were you to get your way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not sure of your point here, sorry. How does this get back to what I said?
    It was to point out that it is much harder for people to provide for themselves today than it was back then. For the simple fact that 1: there are far more rules and regulations and laws today than back then. 2: far less land available per person than back then. If these programs were not provided then there would be far more people that were sick and dieing and living on the streets than there is currently. The price of a large population living on a limited resource.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Australia gives people houses. It results in drug addicts getting homes, destroying them and then asking for another home. Look up public housing in Australia if you wish to find out more. Btw, free housing was in second new deal which FDR was pushing when he died, which was revoked by congress after his death and never went anywhere.
    Last I knew we were talking about the United States of America. Not Australia. They may give people houses over there...but we don't over here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do I want them to starve? I want to have a choice if I want to feed them. Get some perspective.
    Yeah...like that is really working out for places like Haiti or Nigeria. Charity alone is not enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I want a service to be treated like a service, not a right that the people that provide it are slaves to the people that need their service. If they need it they can pay for it or figure out a way to do so. That is all I'm saying on it.
    So people don't have a right to medical care? It should be based on thier ability to pay huh? Gotcha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I was more talking about trains and such, but yes buses for children works as well, but than I'm against public schooling so its kind of implied by that view.
    Wait...people don't pay for tickets to get on trains? Trains are owned by the government? Wha? That sure is news to me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No its not..
    Actually, yes it is. Do you really think that a nation of ignorant people could have been a worlds super power? Tell ya what...Examine all of the countries that provide free education. Then examine all the countries that DON'T provide free education. Which ones are not 3rd world countries? Next examine which countries has the most to least violence in it. Which ones provide for free education? Which ones don't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Capitalism is what made us great, freedom is what made us great. It was what made society as far back as Greece and Rome great. What has destroyed society's since those time however is social programs and over reaching government like we have.
    Wow...are you ever ignorant of history. Rome fell not because of social programs or even an over reaching government. Rome fell because Ceasar's children squabbled over who should get what territory. Hell...Rome didn't even HAVE social programs. And they certainly did not have much in the way of Freedoms. At least not what we would call freedoms today....you do know that they still had slavery back then right? And serf's?

    Now I will certainly agree that freedom is what made this country great. But freedom alone is not enough.

    As for capitalism, sure it also played its part. But it was not the whole of it also...even when combined with Freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do people save money for retirement the way that they should or are they dependent. It wasn't an avoidance tactic it is part of my entire point of the series of posts.
    The ones that can do. The ones that can't don't.

    Let me ask you...have you ever lived pay check to pay check? Where the money from one check went towards half the total bills and the next check went towards the other half of the bills? (based on a bi-weekly pay period) I do. There is no chance of putting any money away for retirement when you live like that. It all goes towards bills, food, clothes, school supplies, and medical expenses. Can't even put 1% away much less the 10% the experts recommend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Fires should be left for the market and roads are not needed. Police however are best handled by the government. Taxes are good when handling things like national security but theft when handling personal interests of individual persons.
    Fires should be left to the market? Are you FREAKING CRAZY? You do realize that a fire can, and does, burn down other peoples places also right? One spark from one house fire can spark the next door neighbors house on fire. And so on and so forth. One house fire can literally burn down an entire city. Especially if it was left up to the market. "Oh! your house is on fire? Ok sir..you must pay $1000 in order for us to put it out...wait what? You don't have that kind of money? Well, I'm sorry sir but we can't respond to your house burning down...it just wouldn't be profitable". Yeah...thats a slick idea.

    Roads are not needed huh? You do realize that 1: Our very Constitution demands that the federal government build roads. 2: that without roads then you would have to provide all the needed food, clothing, and necessities by yourself? As such things would not come near you without those roads. Talking about an idiotic statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You could do just as much yourself, just like I could. We don't need government to keep people off the streets.
    Really? Then why do we have homeless people in this country? Including veterans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not my point. People are angry because CEO's make millions of dollars or even billions and to the most part only because they aren't earning that much.
    Only idiots are angry at them. I for one am not. Hell, they could make Trillions and I wouldn't be angry over them making that much. The only time that I would get mad at them is if they did so in a non-honest way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The mindset is the problem. Welfare programs just strength that mindset in the people. That mindset is a cancer on society and as you have just said has been for thousands of years. Its about time we as species gets past it.
    Improperly applied welfare programs do this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should I care?
    Why shouldn't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Considering that most things people take like the morning after pill kill of pregnancy I would say you know my answer to if they actually fund for it or not.
    I have no idea what your stance on the morning after pill is.
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    That doesn't fly, really. You're putting a price on a miracle.

    People have got to be more careful. They don't walk in front of cars. do they?

    There is very little excuse for getting pregnant and not wanting it. I'd say it's like contracting AIDS from unprotected sex in 2011. Everybody knows what can happen. Getting AIDS and getting pregnant are the same problem with protection.

    This is life or death stuff. Just like the truck thing.
    If creating a baby was such a miracle then why is it that there are over 6 billion people on this planet...with more on the way? Aren't miracles suppose to be rare and exceptional?
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    Re: Are people who wants to defund Planned Parenthood anti-women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    No matter how you feel about womens rights, do you really feel right about funding PP with tax dollars?
    Yep, I do feel right. But then I don't get my "facts" from biased sites.
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