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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    The opponents of abortion are "pro-life", but to call pro-abortion movement as "pro-choice" is not true and misleading because abortion is a murder, the womans have the right to know that in reality the supporters of abortions are "anti-life",but not fine, nice, fluffy-bunny and politically correct "pro-choice". Do you agree with, please vote.
    I've never really met anyone that was actually "pro-abortion" so you start the whole premise on a falsehood. At the center of the pro-choice philosophy is that abortion should be safe, available, and unnecessary.

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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It is no less inaccurate because of the varied beliefs behind the abortion issue.

    No matter which of the labels I use, both mine and yours, neither are adequate to explain my position behind it.
    Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you are supporting the right to have one. Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you oppose having the right to have an abortion. That works

    Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you are for abortion. Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you are against abortion. That does not work.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It makes more sense to me to be pro-choice if you don't believe there are any moral implications to the act. If you do believe it to be immoral, then how can you support others having a right to do it? Do you also believe people have the right to abuse their children even if it's something you yourself would never do?
    I've stated this before, and I guess I'll say it again. I believe it should be legal, because it would be worse for society to have it illegal, unlike child abuse, which would be worse for society to have it legal, than illegal. That is my basis for laws, not on morality, I don't believe we should legislate morality, we should legislate what is best for society.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you are supporting the right to have one. Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you oppose having the right to have an abortion. That works

    Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you are for abortion. Whether you think abortion is moral or not, you are against abortion. That does not work.
    But what if you think abortion should be a legal privilege and not a legal right?
    It's more of a utilitarian aspect but still valid.

    Also, seeing abortion "rights" adds another emotional aspect behind the termonology because many believe that the "right" to abortion was falsely found.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you think we should legislate morality?
    Yes. What's more, we already do, otherwise child abuse would not be illegal. Neither would rape, theft or DWI.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I've stated this before, and I guess I'll say it again. I believe it should be legal, because it would be worse for society to have it illegal, unlike child abuse, which would be worse for society to have it legal, than illegal. That is my basis for laws, not on morality, I don't believe we should legislate morality, we should legislate what is best for society.
    That sounds like an incredibly subjective standard. I can tell you, if you think abortion is good for society, you and I hold very different views of what "good for society" looks like.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    It seems like this has become the whole po-tay-to, po-tah-to debate. A potato is a potato is a potato. If you support a woman's right to have an abortion than you are pro. If you don't, then you are anti. It doesn't have to be anymore complex than that. By saying you support the woman's right to choose you are accepting abortion as a viable procedure. You are pro-abortion. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that, and exaggerated explanations aren't necessary. I can't imagine dealing with the consequences of an abortion, so I will probably not have one. I am not going to try to force a friend or stranger into avoiding the procedure if they want one. I can't force them to consider every option in depth, but can only hope that they have. It isn't for me to decide what is or is not best for the potential child and its mother.

    I am not religious, but I fully believe in the concept of "judge not, lest ye be judged". I may not personally like somebody's actions, but until their actions infringe upon my constitutionally given rights I cannot and will not assert any authority or force over them. That applies to abortion and 4532643654 other actions.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It seems like this has become the whole po-tay-to, po-tah-to debate. A potato is a potato is a potato. If you support a woman's right to have an abortion than you are pro. If you don't, then you are anti. It doesn't have to be anymore complex than that. By saying you support the woman's right to choose you are accepting abortion as a viable procedure. You are pro-abortion. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that, and exaggerated explanations aren't necessary. I can't imagine dealing with the consequences of an abortion, so I will probably not have one. I am not going to try to force a friend or stranger into avoiding the procedure if they want one. I can't force them to consider every option in depth, but can only hope that they have. It isn't for me to decide what is or is not best for the potential child and its mother.

    I am not religious, but I fully believe in the concept of "judge not, lest ye be judged". I may not personally like somebody's actions, but until their actions infringe upon my constitutionally given rights I cannot and will not assert any authority or force over them. That applies to abortion and 4532643654 other actions.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That sounds like an incredibly subjective standard. I can tell you, of you think abortion is good for society, you and I hold very different views of what "good for society" looks like.
    I don't think abortion is good for society, I think having it illegal is bad for society, because it will just lead to women who want an abortion to get them illegally, which will be unsafe, and will lead to the death of many women. It's why I think marijuana should be legal as well, marijuana itself isn't good for society, but having it illegal causes more damage to society than having it legal. Via the drug crime violence, and giving organized crime a big cash crop etc.

    Also I don't see how you can say my reasoning is subjective, and think that morality will be more objective?
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes. What's more, we already do, otherwise child abuse would not be illegal. Neither would rape, theft or DWI.
    Child abuse, rape, theft and DWI all are to protect personal rights.
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