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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you are in favor of it being legal, you are in favor of abortion.
    There is no moral distinction made.

    It is a simple term, using the terms choice and life are both inherently emotional and don't make a real distinction of legality.

    I did the opposite, solely related to a generic legal understanding.
    The individual details of a person's "favor" for abortion must be hashed out in an explained debate, something that no simple "pro" or "anti" could carry.
    No. Let me give you another example: I am in favor of people having the right to burn the flag, the bible and the koran. I find all 3 morally reprehensible things to do. I am not in favor of flag or bible burning, I am in favor of people having the right to choose. It is a large significant difference.

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    Didnt harry say the same thing redress ?
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you are in favor of it being legal, you are in favor of abortion.
    There is no moral distinction made.

    It is a simple term, using the terms choice and life are both inherently emotional and don't make a real distinction of legality.

    I did the opposite, solely related to a generic legal understanding.
    The individual details of a person's "favor" for abortion must be hashed out in an explained debate, something that no simple "pro" or "anti" could carry.
    Problem is Harry, I am not in favor of abortion. I am in favor of it being an option. There is a distinction.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Saying you're pro gun is no reference that you want to own or posses a gun but that you merely want it to be legal.

    You're adding meaning to things that don't otherwise exist.
    But saying "pro-gun" does not say I favor gun rights, it says I am for guns. I am not. I don't want one, I think we would be better off as a country if people did not own them. However, I do not think it is my place to make that value judgment for others, so while I am anti-gun, I am pro-gun rights.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you are in favor of it being legal, you are in favor of abortion.
    There is no moral distinction made.

    It is a simple term, using the terms choice and life are both inherently emotional and don't make a real distinction of legality.

    I did the opposite, solely related to a generic legal understanding.
    The individual details of a person's "favor" for abortion must be hashed out in an explained debate, something that no simple "pro" or "anti" could carry.
    Your simplifying the issue, by saying you are pro abortion, you are implying that someone is in favor of abortion, the act, not the legality of it. Pro Abortion rights, and anti-abortion rights, implies that you are for or against the legality of it, and does not involve morality, like the terms pro/antil abortion does.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    The problem is that all of you guys are making a hasty generalization, that is associated with simple labels.
    Using any simple label with inevitably come with a need of further explanation of a position.

    Instead you should explain this in the abortion debate and smack the people who assume that is what your "pro" or "anti" means.

    The pro or anti label is simple, it confers no moral belief but a very simple belief in favor of a general position, that must be hashed out further in detailed explanation.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Your simplifying the issue, by saying you are pro abortion, you are implying that someone is in favor of abortion, the act, not the legality of it. Pro Abortion rights, and anti-abortion rights, implies that you are for or against the legality of it, and does not involve morality, like the terms pro/antil abortion does.
    People will still associate morality with it, regardless of the addition of "rights."

    You should point out to them that they have made a hasty generalization.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Pro-choice, my choice is pro-life. I'll let other people make their own choice.
    It makes more sense to me to be pro-choice if you don't believe there are any moral implications to the act. If you do believe it to be immoral, then how can you support others having a right to do it? Do you also believe people have the right to abuse their children even if it's something you yourself would never do?
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The problem is that all of you guys are making a hasty generalization, that is associated with simple labels.
    Using any simple label with inevitably come with a need of further explanation of a position.

    Instead you should explain this in the abortion debate and smack the people who assume that is what your "pro" or "anti" means.

    The pro or anti label is simple, it confers no moral belief but a very simple belief in favor of a general position, that must be hashed out further in detailed explanation.
    Except that my labels actually accurately described the positions while yours inaccurately described the positions. While neither is 100 % complete, yours where actually inaccurate in their portrayal.
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It makes more sense to me to be pro-choice if you don't believe there are any moral implications to the act. If you do believe it to be immoral, then how can you support others having a right to do it? Do you also believe people have the right to abuse their children even if it's something you yourself would never do?
    So you think we should legislate morality?
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    Re: Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that my labels actually accurately described the positions while yours inaccurately described the positions. While neither is 100 % complete, yours where actually inaccurate in their portrayal.
    It is no less inaccurate because of the varied beliefs behind the abortion issue.

    No matter which of the labels I use, both mine and yours, neither are adequate to explain my position behind it.
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