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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think liblady was making the point that most DEMOCRATS AREN'T SOCIALISTS.
    No they just keep pushing for socialist elements in the government, such as nationalized health-care, gun control, income subsidy, etc.

    Yes, democrats are generally socialists.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No they just keep pushing for socialist elements in the government, such as nationalized health-care, gun control, income subsidy, etc.

    Yes, democrats are generally socialists.
    so·cial·ism   
    [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
    –noun
    1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

    The majority of democrats are not in favor of this. If you want actual socialist policies, go to many places in Europe where being on the left actually means being on the left and Democrats in the United States would be considered conservative.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    so·cial·ism   
    [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
    –noun
    1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

    The majority of democrats are not in favor of this. If you want actual socialist policies, go to many places in Europe where being on the left actually means being on the left and Democrats in the United States would be considered conservative.



    **** Europe anyway they can't even handle to guys kissing in front of a bar without getting their berets crinkled.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Yes and no.

    On the other hand, it is hard for me to see why this country should not be something you could be proud of.
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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    I'd argue that the best thing a citizen can do is to criticize. It means they haven't settled and believe in making their country better.

    Perfect is inherently unattainable. Striving to push your country closer to that unattainable ideal is truly admirable.
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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Okay, so now we have a video of one Democrat wanting to socialize the oil companies.

    That doesn't come anywhere near

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The majority of democrats are not in favor of this.
    TED,
    Just pointing out the painfully obvious.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    At any rate, I don't think pride or shame or hate or love or indifference factor into whether you're a good citizen -- it's what you do either because of or despite these feelings that makes you a good anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If someone is working to change the country into something our founding fathers never meant it to be, he is not a good citizen.
    Our founding fathers couldn't agree on what this country was meant to be. What we ended up was largely the product of compromise and competing interests watching each other suspiciously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You don't have to be proud of the country in every circumstance to be a good citizen. However if you think America sucks in general and want to fundamentally transform it, you can't be a good citizen here. Be one elsewhere please.
    Our country has undergone a number of fundamental changes since its birth. Are you saying that those who pushed for those changes weren't good citizens?

    It seems to me that if you think something sucks in general, working to fundamentally transform it is the most productive thing you can do about the situation.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Just pointing out the painfully obvious.
    Speaking of painfully obvious, she is not an individual. She is a representative. She has a constituency who put her into power, and funds her, and she not alone among representatives.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Speaking of painfully obvious, she is not an individual. She is a representative. She has a constituency who put her into power, and funds her, and she not alone among representatives.
    Speaking of painfully obvious, pointing out that one California Senator wants to socialize one specific industry doesn't come anywhere near refuting the comment, "The majority of democrats are not in favor of [socialism]." Not even when you point out that she represents other people.

    Unless, of course, you're positing that the majority of Democrats in this country live in California, and that they all voted for her.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Some pride, of course, but never "blind pride".There are many things which can be better, much better.
    But, do we have the people for this ??
    For instance, in PA we have over 500 school districts, which is wasteful and duplicitous. Also the supervisors are horribly over -paid ($300K salary in some cases....There is a huge amount of reform necessary, yet little happens..

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