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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Since there are a few threads about pride in one's country popular today, I figured I would ask this basic question. There are certain qualities that generally fall under the heading of being a good citizen, at least according to most people such as:

    1. Legal compliance
    2. Be a moral person (don't seek to take advantage of people, no stealing, no killing, etc)
    3. Be an active member of something that betters the community (like a church or charity)
    4. Civic obligations such as paying taxes, jury duty, the draft, etc
    5. Holding a job
    6. (other things, the rest are just examples)

    The question is, should pride in one's country be on this sort of list?
    When you take everything into consideration, weighing the good and the bad, imo your net opinion should be that you are proud of your country.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    because you are the sole interpreter of what our founding fathers intended?
    Do you think they wanted us to be a nation of socialists?
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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    It's not who I am underneath, but what I *do* that defines me.


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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Do you think they wanted us to be a nation of socialists?
    i think you have a very warped definition of socialism, and i think you watch too much right wing tv. i recommend thinking, instead.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    It's not who I am underneath, but what I *do* that defines me.

    i think it's both.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    You don't have to have pride in your country to be a good citizen. But you do have to have the pride to be a patriot.
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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If someone is working to change the country into something our founding fathers never meant it to be, he is not a good citizen.
    A nation is a dynamic entity. It moves with its population - therefore, our application of the Constitution will change in every generation because every generation is met with new discoveries, new innovations and new political concerns.

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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Typically true, but we cannot see another person's thoughts, and as such we have to judge them on their actions. Since "good citizen" is a value judgment, I don't worry about what the person is thinking, just what they are doing. To continue my example from earlier, there are, I am sure, those within the Tea Party who are there because they hate that a black man got uppity and ended up in the White House. Now, those people are the exception, and I repeat again that I do not think the Tea Party is racist in any way, but any group has racists, and to deny that such people exist in the Tea Party is silly(it is equally silly to deny that such people exist in the democratic, republican and libertarian parties). Now, these peoples' thoughts are vile to my mind, but their actions, the part I can see, are not, and are working towards their vision of a better America.

    That is not a great example, but it's the best I can come up with off the top of my head.
    Do you believe Westboro Baptists or Code Pink are good citizens? Sometimes value judgments can be fairly (and even objectively) made.
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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you have a very warped definition of socialism, and i think you watch too much right wing tv. i recommend thinking, instead.
    I think you have a warped view of America if you think socialism should play a major part.
    Socialism takes away personal responsibilty.
    Personal responsibility is what makes it possible for us to pursue happiness.
    Socialism comes with a heavy price tag. I'm not willing to give up my God given rights for "free" stuff.
    Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer freedom.
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    Re: Do you have to be proud of your country to be a good citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think you have a warped view of America if you think socialism should play a major part.
    Socialism takes away personal responsibilty.
    Personal responsibility is what makes it possible for us to pursue happiness.
    Socialism comes with a heavy price tag. I'm not willing to give up my God given rights for "free" stuff.
    Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer freedom.
    I think liblady was making the point that most DEMOCRATS AREN'T SOCIALISTS.

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