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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The intentions are the most important. Just because the first results are a failure is no reason not to implement plan 'B'.
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    I'll used education as an example. We throw money at it and the results suck even though intentions are good.
    So whenever there is talk of throwing even more money at it, (with good intentions) the results will probably suck again.
    Results are all that matters.
    Doing the same thing again and again, and expecting different results = ?

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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    You have to think about the likely results of a proposal. Even if the intentions are great, if there are likely to be unwanted side effects, or if the legislation is probably over- or underinclusive, you have a program.

    That said, it's not like its all that easy to "check up" on the results of a lot of proposals. I don't think very many people have actual access to the data that would be required to make a fair assessment. Most of the time when people talk about the "results" of certain things they are just talking out their **s about programs they dislike in principle.

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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    You have to think about the likely results of a proposal. Even if the intentions are great, if there are likely to be unwanted side effects, or if the legislation is probably over- or underinclusive, you have a program.

    That said, it's not like its all that easy to "check up" on the results of a lot of proposals. I don't think very many people have actual access to the data that would be required to make a fair assessment. Most of the time when people talk about the "results" of certain things they are just talking out their **s about programs they dislike in principle.
    It's usually pretty easy to find verifiable "result" information about programs.
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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    When a policy or program is proposed, do you focus on the intentions or the results?

    Intentions being, what the policy or program aims to do.
    Results being, what the policy or program actually does, in relation to the stated intentions.

    How often do you follow up, checking the results, of programs and policies that you support?

    The first thing the Mayor looks at is the Constitution. Most programs proposed aren't allowed, hence the intentions and the results are not relevant.

    Then, in the very few cases where proposal is Constitutional, then the real intentions, not the stated intentions, must be determined, and the results are usually bad, anyway.

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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Doing the same thing again and again, and expecting different results = ?
    insanity of course. What's that tell us about our elected officials?
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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Intention: Feed the homeless.
    Result: More homeless congregate where the free food is.

    Modification: Distribute the free food in Santa Monica instead of your own neighborhood.
    Result: More homeless in Santa Monica, fewer in Redondo Beach.

    Mission accomplished?

    Intention: Reduce poverty by playing Robbin' Hood.
    Result: A halt to the decline in numbers of the poor.
    Result: Destruction of the inner city black family.
    Result: Generational dependency creating monolithic support for the Democrat Party in some minority groups.
    Result: Established impossibility of modifying hand-out schemes to reduce depedency and respond to ongoing economic crises.
    Result: National economic collapse.
    Result: Increased dependency.
    Result: More votes for the Democrats.

    Which result should we focus on when deciding if the intentions should weigh more or less than the results, and who decided the Constitution didn't matter?

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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Intention: implement a war on terror in the middle east to reduce the threat of terrorists.

    Results: sacrificed tens of thousands of lives and trillions of US taxpayer dollars and debt, and has only increased the number of terrorists worldwide.

    Which should have been used to justify discontinuing this huge waste of money an lives?
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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Intention: implement a war on terror in the middle east to reduce the threat of terrorists.

    Results: sacrificed tens of thousands of lives and trillions of US taxpayer dollars and debt, and has only increased the number of terrorists worldwide.

    Which should have been used to justify discontinuing this huge waste of money an lives?

    The Mayor notes the Constitution played no role in your complaint.

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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    What program or programs are you talking about, Harry?
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    Re: Intentions or Results?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What program or programs are you talking about, Harry?
    Nonspecific, it's really a general question.
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