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Do Schools Kill Creativity?

Do Schools Kill Creativity

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • No

    Votes: 6 54.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Total voters
    11
Harry Guerrilla said:
You mean post secondary?

The poll question didn't say do schools stunt creativity, but I'm pretty familiar with the individual listed with the topic.

What he talks about is the fact that schools don't nurture the natural talents and creativity behind the individual students but that they take the regimented approach to education.
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No, tertiary, same thing, but you Yanks had to change the name. :mrgreen:

Schools aren't meant to do that, they teach people what they need to be able to express their creativity themselves. Trying to personalise a curriculum for students who are at an age where they don't even know what they want to do, or which talents they want to pursue, would be kinda difficult, so the regimented approach is the only practical option.
 
Bruce said:
No, tertiary, same thing, but you Yanks had to change the name. :mrgreen:
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I *think* we adopted the name from Germany.
Could be wrong though.

Bruce said:
Schools aren't meant to do that, they teach people what they need to be able to express their creativity themselves. Trying to personalise a curriculum for students who are at an age where they don't even know what they want to do, or which talents they want to pursue, would be kinda difficult, so the regimented approach is the only practical option.
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I dunno, kids seem to develop interests at early ages.
They could lead to future career paths.

Regimentation is for the military. :(
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
How so?

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You can choose to go to private or public school. In many cities, you have choices, based on application, to go to a variety of public schools. Many high schools have different programs, allowing a variety of focuses. Different directions of English are offered (literature, creative writing, journalism), different artistic directions, and different musical directions. Teachers themselves offer more creative ways to teach and to allow students to learn by exploring and investigating, rather than direct informational regurgitation. There are lots of choices these days, both in where to go and within the school itself.
 
Bruce said:
No, tertiary, same thing, but you Yanks had to change the name. :mrgreen:

Schools aren't meant to do that, they teach people what they need to be able to express their creativity themselves. Trying to personalise a curriculum for students who are at an age where they don't even know what they want to do, or which talents they want to pursue, would be kinda difficult, so the regimented approach is the only practical option.
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I deal with lots of school systems in the states, spud. It's not as regimented as you would think. Yes, certain basics are mandatory, but there is a lot of creative exploration both inside those basics and outside. Often school provides a structure where creativity can occur.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You can choose to go to private or public school.
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This is like the two tier approach to UHC, where everyone has access to the public care and the rich have access to the private care.
Almost the exact same scenario.

Not really a choice when your funds are limited and are always expropriated towards public, whether you attend or not.

CaptainCourtesy said:
In many cities, you have choices, based on application, to go to a variety of public schools. Many high schools have different programs, allowing a variety of focuses. Different directions of English are offered (literature, creative writing, journalism), different artistic directions, and different musical directions. Teachers themselves offer more creative ways to teach and to allow students to learn by exploring and investigating, rather than direct informational regurgitation. There are lots of choices these days, both in where to go and within the school itself.
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But now your speaking in absolutes.
These choices exist for some people, in some situations, but if you get the loser end of the lottery of birth, your choices are narrow to zilch.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This is like the two tier approach to UHC, where everyone has access to the public care and the rich have access to the private care.
Almost the exact same scenario.

Not really a choice when your funds are limited and are always expropriated towards public, whether you attend or not.
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Irrelevant when demonstrating that your absolute is inacorrect. If the choice is there, even for some, than the choice exists.

And I have my own version of health care and reject anything else that I see as inadequate. ;)


But now your speaking in absolutes.
These choices exist for some people, in some situations, but if you get the loser end of the lottery of birth, your choices are narrow to zilch.
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This is not an absolute. There are certainly ways to have choices... scholarships, becoming an employee at the school. If one wants it badly enough, it can be attained. There are always choices.
 


Here is another video narrated by Sir Ken Robinson.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Irrelevant when demonstrating that your absolute is inacorrect. If the choice is there, even for some, than the choice exists.

And I have my own version of health care and reject anything else that I see as inadequate. ;)




This is not an absolute. There are certainly ways to have choices... scholarships, becoming an employee at the school. If one wants it badly enough, it can be attained. There are always choices.
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Bleh, just don't have it in me today to duke it out with you cap.
You're not as easy to topple. :sigh:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
A good guy got hurt today, at the end of my shift.
Giving me the blues a little bit.
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Sorry to hear that. Your posts were a bit more "aggressive" than usual, tonight. Figured something was up.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Sorry to hear that. Your posts were a bit more "aggressive" than usual, tonight. Figured something was up.
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Yea, he had a stroke/blackout/seizure, smacked the hell out of the back of his head on the concrete floor.
He didn't know who he was after he "normalized" (I'm using that loosely), a bit worried about him, a super guy with a child like heart and a bunch of undeserved responsibility on his shoulders.
 
I have an impression of public school teachers similar to pick pockets, cat burglars, street beggars. In addition to stifling their creativity, they offer nothing to keep their students from a life in prison.

OK, a new rule. If 5 of your students wind up in prison you go join them in prison. You could spend your long sentence teaching them for when they get out. You could maybe begin by teaching them to say, please and thank you. You could do drills. Make it fun!
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea, he had a stroke/blackout/seizure, smacked the hell out of the back of his head on the concrete floor.
He didn't know who he was after he "normalized" (I'm using that loosely), a bit worried about him, a super guy with a child like heart and a bunch of undeserved responsibility on his shoulders.
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I hope he's OK. Hopefully his disorientation was because of smacking his head and nothing more serious.
 
sazerac said:
I have an impression of public school teachers similar to pick pockets, cat burglars, street beggars. In addition to stifling their creativity, they offer nothing to keep their students from a life in prison.

OK, a new rule. If 5 of your students wind up in prison you go join them in prison. You could spend your long sentence teaching them for when they get out. You could maybe begin by teaching them to say, please and thank you. You could do drills. Make it fun!
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Sorry to hear your educational experience was so terrible. Fortunately, yours is not the norm or anywhere's near close to it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Sorry to hear your educational experience was so terrible. Fortunately, yours is not the norm or anywhere's near close to it.
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At the same high school my daughter graduated with a 4.0 with specialties in Russian language and the advanced associate degree program, parents were complaining how their kids just couldnt get a decent education and thats why they were failing. Huh...go figure...that same school produced Sterling Scholars and some damn good nationally known petrochem scientists...and...me. I wasnt what you would call a stellar student in HS. OK...thats not fair...I did OK...when I went.

And speaking of Sterling Scholars...

The flip side to that is that I was asked to interview the Sterling Scholar candidates from a particularly small 1A school this last week. Oh...my...heck. Those kids are going to get killed in the state competition. If those are the best and brightest that school has to offer...well...at some point the responsibility DOES have to rest a little bit with the schools.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Sorry to hear your educational experience was so terrible. Fortunately, yours is not the norm or anywhere's near close to it.
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I was fortunate to be educated in Boston, thru high school. I have great respect for those teachers. The public schools were just a lot better than the catholic schools and you had better opportunity to advance to an Ivy league college. The catholic schools had a soccer ball the public schools had a gym and a pool. But many many parents insisted on catholic education. Half my friends.

So the possibility of having good schools here in New Orleans have been completely ignored, I'll use the race card. The kids, especially the boys are monsters who couldn't find a job if their drug addiction was dependent on it.

This is one of my most important issues, the slow execution of our young males.

Hurricane Katrina was a blessing in disguise. It caused a sort of "enough!" attitude of the citizens. They're actually building a new school a few blocks away. There is fighting about what kind of school it will be. The blacks want a KIPP school and the whites want some sort of charter school that has been successful. The whites are those who live in the neighborhood.

The sound of children playing will be far enough away to be charming. Which makes all the city sounds I hear far away enough to just be charming - trains ships traffic. None a nuance.

This was a sin and a crime- the neglect and abandonment of our young students. I actually think they should all be compensated in a massive lawsuit. And that includes all of them in prison.
 
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