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    Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Means testing for Social Security benefits came up in a discussion Stillballin' and I were having. Personally, I don't support it. Thinking it would make a good poll question, I Googled the term to find a good article that would describe what in entails. Lo and behold, I found this article where three Republican senators are proposing this very thing.

    Two freshmen -- Tea Party Republicans Mike Lee of Utah and Rand Paul of Kentucky -- joined Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, who has been working on this issue for more than five years.

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    The senators also proposed "means testing" for Social Security benefits, meaning the reduction of benefits for wealthier Americans.
    Under their plan, seniors making over $43,000 a year would have their monthly benefits reduced by $300 to $400 by 2032.
    This year is the first year in which Social Security pays out more than it takes in, because people are living longer, and the huge wave of Baby Boomers is starting to hit retirement age.
    *First Read - GOP senators: Raise retirement age, 'means test' Social Security

    So, what do you think? Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    I'm going to avoid giving a straight yes or no answer because I don't feel those describe my position. I think my position is best described as, "It may be deeply unfair to some, but it also may be inevitable if we don't want SS to go bankrupt."
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm going to avoid giving a straight yes or no answer because I don't feel those describe my position. I think my position is best described as, "It may be deeply unfair to some, but it also may be inevitable if we don't want SS to go bankrupt."
    Sounds like a "maybe".
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    I am in favor of both means testing and raising the retirement age. SS needs to be changed to handle the demographic changes in our society. Medical technology has extended the lifespan so a lot more people are on SS, but also has made it practical to continue working later in life.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I am in favor of both means testing and raising the retirement age. SS needs to be changed to handle the demographic changes in our society. Medical technology has extended the lifespan so a lot more people are on SS, but also has made it practical to continue working later in life.
    I disagree. Technically the money you pay in is yours already, you should get out what you pay in.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    yes i support it in theory.

    whether or not i would support the criteria used to asses it is a completely different matter though, and that could influence my yes answer.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    yes i support it in theory.
    Why do you think it's a good idea?
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I disagree. Technically the money you pay in is yours already, you should get out what you pay in.
    No it's not. Social security is a tax-and-spend program like any other, not a retirement program where your payments pay for your benefits. I believe the Supreme Court has ruled on this very matter.

    I support means-testing. The purpose of social security is to prevent people from living in poverty during old age, and the wealthy have no risk of doing so. We are going to need to trim the growth of social security to get our long-term deficit under control, and this seems like a reasonably painless way to do it.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    i've already posted how i would overhaul the system; but along with raising the retirement age, this seems like an obvious measure to take.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why do you think it's a good idea?
    because i grew up in a civilized society that understands there are always going to be people who require assistance and i see no need to pay out benefits to those who do not need them.
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