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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yes, I would support means testing... but not for people making just above poverty level. There are millions of retirees who have pensions at 70%-80% of their highest year's salary, millions with pensions of more than $150,000 a year. Do they need social security benefits to pay the bills? I don't think so. Right now, even multi-millionaires are given SS benefits that are nothing more than chump change to them. Wealthy retirees should be screened out, in my opinon, but seniors trying to exist on $35,000-$45,000 a year are not wealthy retirees. They are folks who are subsidizing their annual $12,000 SS benefits by drawing down their retirement savings just to exist.
    you do understand that

    1) that social security never would have passed even the FDR controlled congress if it was another income redistribution scheme

    2) why should wealthy people who pay most of the taxes have this scheme be yet another income redistribution scheme and violate their contractual rights

    3) if people cannot get benefits from this crap why should they be forced to support it



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this is really stupid. how so? why shouldn't smart productive people be able to get out of this government forced ponzi scheme

    its the slackers, sloths, parasites and union slugs who want to use the ponzi scheme as another income redistributionist tool for the dems
    It is also a complete betrayal of every libertarian who rails about the sainted principles of the contract.

    But that would not be you. Principles and your own self interest of greed have nothing in common at all.

    Means testing would strip SS benefits or reduce them for people who have saved and prepared for retirement - ie: the very thing that conservatives and right wingers like you foam at the mouth about that they should have been doing forever now. It rewards those who have not prepared for retirement by giving them the benefits promised to all and rewards the very folks that you constanly spew vitriol and venom at and about.

    So its quite a giant hypocrisy sandwich you have bitten into turtle. Three decker at least. I suspect it will not go down too easy.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is also a complete betrayal of every libertarian who rails about the sainted principles of the contract.

    But that would not be you. Principles and your own self interest of greed have nothing in common at all.

    Means testing would strip SS benefits or reduce them for people who have saved and prepared for retirement - ie: the very thing that conservatives and right wingers like you foam at the mouth about that they should have been doing forever now. It rewards those who have not prepared for retirement by giving them the benefits promised to all and rewards the very folks that you constanly spew vitriol and venom at and about.

    So its quite a giant hypocrisy sandwich you have bitten into turtle. Three decker at least. I suspect it will not go down too easy.
    I find it amusing that you whine about greed when you think you and your dem masters are entitled to what others earn

    I oppose social security as violating the tenth amendment
    I oppose making people pay into that ponzi scheme

    but once they have had that money taken from them for this ponzi scheme, they have a right to it

    so how is that hypocrisy in a rational world?

    and tell me Haymarket, why should people be forced to contribute to that nonsense



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    actually the Supreme Court has ruled that you have no right to social security benefits; so the "contract" line is incorrect.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is also a complete betrayal of every libertarian who rails about the sainted principles of the contract.

    But that would not be you. Principles and your own self interest of greed have nothing in common at all.

    Means testing would strip SS benefits or reduce them for people who have saved and prepared for retirement - ie: the very thing that conservatives and right wingers like you foam at the mouth about that they should have been doing forever now. It rewards those who have not prepared for retirement by giving them the benefits promised to all and rewards the very folks that you constanly spew vitriol and venom at and about.

    So its quite a giant hypocrisy sandwich you have bitten into turtle. Three decker at least. I suspect it will not go down too easy.
    If Social Security benefits were means tested, it would turned it into a welfare program and it would disappear. Social Serurity is fine; all that is needed is to raise the cap more. That's what President Reagan did in 1983.


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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually the Supreme Court has ruled that you have no right to social security benefits; so the "contract" line is incorrect.
    I wonder if the congress would have passed that crap if they knew that was coming. I suspect not



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If Social Security benefits were means tested, it would turned it into a welfare program and it would disappear. Social Serurity is fine; all that is needed is to raise the cap more. That's what President Reagan did in 1983.
    meaning the more you pay the more you get back

    BTW I am against means testing



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually the Supreme Court has ruled that you have no right to social security benefits; so the "contract" line is incorrect.
    You should continue to push that line of reasoning and so should your party. Trumpet it from the highest peaks and make it the centerpiece of the 2012 elections. tell the American people there is no contract for Social Security despite they having paid into it and fulfilled their end of hte bargain for their entire working lives.

    I would love to see that.

    It has become part of the American social contract between a citizen and their government.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post


    and tell me Haymarket, why should people be forced to contribute to that nonsense
    I agree with you.

    Anyone who does not want to be part of Social Security can withdraw from it at any time. There is no Berlin Wall confining you here.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually the Supreme Court has ruled that you have no right to social security benefits; so the "contract" line is incorrect.
    Great news, we can dump the whole program and put our money in investments, right? I want my money back.
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