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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Who pays into SS that doesn't qualify for it?
    Three groups that readily come to mind are people who have not yet reached the retirement age, people who die before reaching the retirement age, and illegal immigrants. The federal government can limit access to other groups as well, like those who earn more than ~$100K per year.

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    Aren't payments supposed to be based on initial withholdings? That right there is different than other taxes.
    Yes, that's how it's currently set up. But there's no reason it inherently must be that way. I would support continuing to base it on initial withholdings for those below $100K, and basing it on current income beyond that.

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    Most other taxes, you'll never see again, but with SS you're supposed to.
    But that's viewing it from the perspective that there's a government bank account somewhere that has "your" SS tax dollars. Your tax dollars fund benefits for current recipients, and future tax dollars will fund your benefits when you qualify. In that sense, it's no different than most other government programs like unemployment, welfare, or subsidized student loans: You pay taxes to fund those programs, and at some point you may or may not qualify to receive benefits from them.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You talk about fairness as if there are two competing interests and one or the other has to be treated unfairly. That's not the case.
    There is no way that everyone will be treated "fairly" (whatever that means), given the current/projected fiscal and demographic trends in the United States. There just isn't enough money in that pot. I agree with you: It isn't fair. No solution will be. So instead of focusing on "fairness," which is extremely subjective, I find it better to focus on which SS solutions will save the most money while doing the least amount of harm to the goal of preventing poverty among the elderly. Those are much more objective, quantitative measurements.

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    The only fair thing is to get what you've put into it. How is getting paid less because you put in less unfair?
    Because the purpose of SS is to be an anti-poverty program, not a retirement plan. An analogy: How is it fair that some people don't receive federal student loans, simply because they aren't enrolled in college? Or how is it fair that some people don't receive unemployment benefits, simply because they aren't unemployed? Nearly every government program has certain requirements that the government demands that beneficiaries meet.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, is this really the best argument in favor of means testing? Sure it's unfair and sends the wrong message, but this is all we could think of? I'm not criticizing you at all, btw, I ask in all seriousness. Maybe that really is the best argument, but it doesn't seem like a good one to me.
    if the option is a progressive payout structure or insolvency...

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    I think means testing would have to be on the table eventually but the teaparty number is ludicrous and not really means testing its merely a disquised reduction of SS. If you want to talk about a real means test you make the starting number much higher like those making 100,000 or more.

    What everyone fails to understand the average social security check is 1,177.00 If you live in NYC your homeless on that number...If you live in South Dakota you would be in a better position to possibly survive on it. If you make 50,000 in NYC your just getting by MAYBE. Even private sector employers make cost of living adjustments for different areas of the country. Not everyone is in the same position on the same numbers across the country.
    Social Security is not tax free...you pay income tax on social security.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    I'm against means testing. Social programs need to stay even across the board. Should the wealthy be punished for simply being wealthy?
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    SS doesn't have the input to pay for its spending requirements. Means testing is one of the better ways to soften the pain of the inevitable adjustment we are going to have to make to it. So yeah, I support it, fully understanding that I am probably going to get hurt by it in the future since I am expecting to have a pretty good retirement based on the money I am socking away today.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what i pay in taxes goes to welfare - should i be getting something from TANF?
    I don't know, do you get a statement every year estimating your welfare benefits upon retirement? I don't, but I do get a statement like that from SS every year.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I'm against means testing. Social programs need to stay even across the board. Should the wealthy be punished for simply being wealthy?
    so you're in favor of a flat tax?

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't know, do you get a statement every year estimating your welfare benefits upon retirement? I don't, but I do get a statement like that from SS every year.
    yes. there is a phrase that describes that kind of statement. "Lie".

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Means testing for Social Security benefits came up in a discussion Stillballin' and I were having. Personally, I don't support it. Thinking it would make a good poll question, I Googled the term to find a good article that would describe what in entails. Lo and behold, I found this article where three Republican senators are proposing this very thing.

    *First Read - GOP senators: Raise retirement age, 'means test' Social Security

    So, what do you think? Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?
    No. But I'd like to see some changes in it.

    • Raise the retirement age by six months.
    • Take off the upper cap on withholding and cap maximum payouts. Right now, SS is withheld on somewhere around the first $100,000. Take off that cap (or raise it to some much higher number...taxed at a somewhat lower rate)...but don't pay out any larger benefit than the current approximately $29,000/year. In other words, those who are earning less than $100,000 will finance their own benefit -- and those who are making more than $100K will finance their own and anteing into the kitty to help finance others. (This would be a compromise to those who want to make SS benefits subject to a means test.)
    • Make SS benefits fully taxable depending on assets as well as income.
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