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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The point of social security is to prevent seniors from falling into poverty. Fairness is a pipe dream. A means based test brings in the revenue will needed in the future to make that happen. If you don't want a means based test, how do you propose to get the extra revenue? Tax future taxpayers extra? That isn't fair either.
    Hello?

    Means testing doesn't alter the revenues, it restricts the payouts.

    Since Social Security has never been anything more than a specialized welfare scam, it's time to strip it of the mystique. Should Bill Gates get Social Security? Warren Buffet? President Clinton/Bush/Carter? The guy making a million bucks a year from real estate investments?

    Why?

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you do understand that

    1) that social security never would have passed even the FDR controlled congress if it was another income redistribution scheme
    It was never anything but a wealth redistribution scam.

    2) why should wealthy people who pay most of the taxes have this scheme be yet another income redistribution scheme and violate their contractual rights
    Because they have those lovely concentric circles on their backs that only liberals can see.

    3) if people cannot get benefits from this crap why should they be forced to support it
    Because the government has the guns, dude.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is also a complete betrayal of every libertarian who rails about the sainted principles of the contract.

    But that would not be you. Principles and your own self interest of greed have nothing in common at all.

    Means testing would strip SS benefits or reduce them for people who have saved and prepared for retirement - ie: the very thing that conservatives and right wingers like you foam at the mouth about that they should have been doing forever now. It rewards those who have not prepared for retirement by giving them the benefits promised to all and rewards the very folks that you constanly spew vitriol and venom at and about.

    So its quite a giant hypocrisy sandwich you have bitten into turtle. Three decker at least. I suspect it will not go down too easy.
    You're absolutely right.

    Nothing should be done to reduce the mandated outlays of social security.

    That this will ensure the system, and hence the nation, goes bankrupt decades sooner doesn't mean anything to you, so, clearly, the nation must not change anything, because you don't believe national economic collapse is anything but the most desirable thing on the planet.

    don't worry that the poor will be the hardest hit when your precious collapse comes, you don't care about them, anyway.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You live here of your own free will.

    You claim to be highly educated so you should know better than most about the laws and policies of our nation. You rail against all sorts of things about America and its government , things that you ourtirght hate and loathe and have no trouble saying so.

    But still you stay.

    And that applies to anyone who does not want to pay into Social Security or any other American program. That is how you get out of it. Either that, or stop working. That also works.

    So now its on you.

    There is no Berlin Wall confining you. You are here of your own free will and each day you participate in this nation of your own free will. You can withdraw that participation at any time you want to. Its all up to you.
    Your arguments are all nonsense. The "contract" the American people have with their government is called "The Constitution of the United States of America". The social security program is a direct violation of that contract. Thus your whining about "social contracts" is just silliness.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If the GOP truly believes it, then they should follow up on it. They have a moral obligation to do so and a patriotic obligation as well. To do otherwise would be an act of craven political cowardice.
    both parties know the future if we continue on our current fiscal path. the GOP passed the 2012 House budget with deals with it - painfully, admittedly, but successfully. The President is the only one thus fat to put forth anything from the Democrats resembling a "plan", and his "plan" seems to be to raise taxes on a very few people (which won't give us extra revenues, and he probably knows that) safely after the next election in 2012 and to appoint a commission in 2014. and to accuse Republicans in the meantime of wanting to kill autistic kids and 50 million grandmothers. thus far the only "cowardice" i see comes from the D side of the aisle, as they refuse to deal with what they acknowledge to be an existential threat so that they can demagogue Republicans for making hard choices.

    Republicans screw up. A lot. and they do things that are destructive. A lot. but the Ryan proposal is brave on their part- they are willingly exposing themselves to protect the country.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I had to say "no", simple because I want to opt out of social security. I doubt I'm going to get anything out of it already since it's used as a slush fund account by the government. Second, why steal people's money by testing them and saying, "oh I'm sorry, you make too much money and your money, you know, that you already paid in for the past 45 years... yeah, we're keeping it all because you don't need it". Means testing is just a nice way of saying, we're going to **** you dry, steal the money you paid in for decades, and give it to someone else who WE (the gubmint) deem needs it more. Nah. Just let me opt out.
    Don't get discouraged, means testing will never happen. That would be a ton of political suicide. Politicians like being employed.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    It's unfortunate that people go bonkers over this topic.
    We could have a federally mandated but not federally administered retirement program, that would be as good or better than Social Security.

    Wouldn't be difficult at all.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    and I do despise how this country has changed to a nation of public teat sucklers-due to the dems needing to create lots of dependent sloths
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Your arguments are all nonsense. The "contract" the American people have with their government is called "The Constitution of the United States of America". The social security program is a direct violation of that contract. Thus your whining about "social contracts" is just silliness.
    Its too bad for you that the people who have both the power and authority say otherwise.

    The Supreme Court says your line of reasoning has FAILED.

    The last person who posted views identical to yours, a style similar to yours and a location just like yours had the name of a serial killer and seems to have vanished. Is that a coincidence?
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

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