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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I love it when people who aren't paying top rates and don't own corporations try to extrapolate their own lack of knowledge to me

    your rants about GE are wrong-here is a post from Old Reliable that might set you straight







    you only pay 15%? LOL

    and you are lying about the middle class carrying most of the freight

    the top one percent paid 40% of the FIT and almost all the death tax
    the top 5% pay more federal income taxes and death taxes than the rest of the country combined



    the rich pay too many taxes and the evil of that is not merely unfairness but by them paying too much too many people have no interest in holding down spending because the rich subsidize them. The rich are forced to give -through the political process where ten slackers can out vote one productive taxpayer-the masses a credit card that the rich have to pay the bills on

    if we want to get rid of the deficit we have to do more than raise revenues-which the rich cannot and will not do on their own. we have to stop politicians winning elections by spending spending spending. that works now because most voters don't think they will have to pay for that spending due to the progressive income tax
    Sorry turtle with all due respect your diatribe is not my gospel and its wrong

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

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    :crying:..... thanks..... i needed that....
    Anytime. Kids are so easily amused. :P
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The teaparty does not want to fix social security and medicare....ultimately their goal is to get rid of it entirely.
    And my post that you quoted is tied to the tea party how? Also my limited knowledge of the Tea Party position (if there is such a thing) does not show anything that "does not want to "fix" these program.

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    opinions are more valuable when a person has expertise. that is why doctors can provide opinion testimony in courts involving cases of medical malpractice and you could not
    But you claim you have an education and a degree but your posts show little to sometimes no sign at all that you have either. Are we talking about technical matters of medicine here? I think not.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, basically, you keep making an "America, love or leave it" type argument. I thought liberals hated that, and that "dissent is the greatest form of patriotism", blah, blah.
    Not at all. All I am saying is that by ones continual living here with full knowledge of the laws and government of the USA, they have given consent to be part of the social contract which is between citizen and government.

    If one does not want to be part of that contract, one can exercise the very market freedom that some are always proclaiming and choose other options more to their liking.

    I strongly support dissent. It helps build a better America. What we are talking about with Turtle is not dissent - it outright scorn and loathing for America, its government and much of its people and way of life. One can disagree and argue that blueberries make for a better pie than apples. One can suggest that sugar will improve the pies sweetness. One can disagree as to the type of crust on the pie. But at some point, there are some who hate the crust, the filling, all the ingredients and the taste. At some point you are not trying to make a better pie - you simply hate pie.
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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at all. All I am saying is that by ones continual living here with full knowledge of the laws and government of the USA, they have given consent to be part of the social contract which is between citizen and government.

    If one does not want to be part of that contract, one can exercise the very market freedom that some are always proclaiming and choose other options more to their liking.

    I strongly support dissent. It helps build a better America. What we are talking about with Turtle is not dissent - it outright scorn and loathing for America, its government and much of its people and way of life. One can disagree and argue that blueberries make for a better pie than apples. One can suggest that sugar will improve the pies sweetness. One can disagree as to the type of crust on the pie. But at some point, there are some who hate the crust, the filling, all the ingredients and the taste. At some point you are not trying to make a better pie - you simply hate pie.
    More nonsense Haymarket believes that the concept of property rights does not exist as long as the mob votes to take what you have. Your hate of the rich is well documented your hate of what made America great is also well documented.

    and I do despise how this country has changed to a nation of public teat sucklers-due to the dems needing to create lots of dependent sloths



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But you claim you have an education and a degree but your posts show little to sometimes no sign at all that you have either. Are we talking about technical matters of medicine here? I think not.
    must hurt knowing that the SAT scores of those who go into teaching are among the lowest of any group of college students.



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry turtle with all due respect your diatribe is not my gospel and its wrong
    nah your points are more of the populist drivel from what I have seen. a resentment of those who have done better based perhaps on a self loathing for failing to achieve?



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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I disagree. Technically the money you pay in is yours already, you should get out what you pay in.
    And after the first two years, then what?

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    Re: Would you support means testing for Social Security Benefits?

    [QUOTE=X Factor;1059411685]So, just so I understand your position, somebody pays into SS their whole working life. The more they earn, the more they pay in, thereby depriving them of that income that they earned, then, if they are financially responsible enough to not be entirely dependent on SS, when they retire they should actual get less or nothing? That about sum it up? [quote]

    Yes. If people are going to be so stupid they're willing allow bureaucrats to take money from their paychecks and trust their promise that the money taken will be returned to them later, then they deserve to be robbed when later rolls around.

    The Constituiton does not authorize the existence of Social Security or any similary Ponzi scheme. The government should never have been allowed to take money from people in that fashion and those people who went along with it deserve what happens, simply because they refused to stand up for the Constituiton.

    That's as fair as it gets, they're paying the price for not being patriots.

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