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Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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reefedjib said:
I was making fun of you, Kali, because you seem to think the government ought to do something about drive by shootings, because they hurt educational standards in the inner city??

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faux moral outrage
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So you were being a troll by making fun of a fellow poster? That is what the basement is for:roll:

BTW, there is no fake moral outrage here with me as I do really find it disgusting when people do not wish to help the poor and I do really find it disgusting to make fun of children dying. That is really in my heart.
 
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Mayor Snorkum said:
It is not the government's job to create employment. It's the government's job to engender an atmosphere of stability and the assurance that people who put their money at risk creating new businesses and expanding old businesses will not be robbed by either their fellow citizens or their government. President Obama and his Democrats believe firmly that people who create wealth are evil (unless they donate generously to their re-election campaigns) and should be deprived of their wealth.

No one is attacking you for your desire to help poor people.

You're being attacked for your desire to use someone else's money to supposedly help the poor.
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It is not others peoples money and as a taxpayer it is just as much MY money as it yours! And all these other haters of the poor.
 
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Since when is it not the government's job to create employment? If that is true then why do they always make it a big point when running for office? That they will create more jobs? What about all the blue collar jobs Obama has helped to create?
 
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theplaydrive said:
You're evidence is a document whose words can be interpreted to support almost any argument for government?
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Well what did you expect from a so called lawyer?:lamo
 
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TurtleDude said:
Check the Constitution sometime-that would answer your silly questions
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Thank you.

I did.

There is nothing there to support your boast or claim or allegation or statement of ideological belief.

Try again and be specific... if you can please.
 
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mac said:
some of our liberals are experts at that as well.
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I would agree with that.
 
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theplaydrive said:
You're evidence is a document whose words can be interpreted to support almost any argument for government?
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well that is the view of those who support the FDR precedent

not mine
 
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Redress said:
How often do I do that?
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you are actually one of the more honest lefties
 
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The gov is the biggest entity in our country with most the money. So explain to me how the hell they not suppose to help create jobs and industry growth in our country? Plus they are like the biggest single employer in the USA??

So you will not convince me ever they are not suppose to create jobs. I am really confused at people telling me they are not suppose to play a role in our economic and workforce development:confused::doh:(
 
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Kali said:
BTW, there is no fake moral outrage here with me as I do really find it disgusting when people do not wish to help the poor and I do really find it disgusting to make fun of children dying. That is really in my heart.
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I think we ought to help the poor as well. However, I think that there is a limit to what the government, especially the federal government, ought to do to help them. They ought to help themselves, and more often than not the problem is with the poor not taking advantage of the help that is already being offered. I do not think we should expand our government help when they don't take advantage of it. That is throwing good money away, when we cannot afford it.

More than anything, making appeals to emotion because some poor innocent kids get killed in the inner city. tragic as that is, is blackmail and no good justification for more government assistance. You are quite lame for using said tactics, like folks that object to more government spending don't care about the children.

There is one thing the government could positively do to help protect the innocent in such neighborhoods, that I fully support. Legalize drugs and eliminate, or at least severely cripple by removing the revenue stream, of organized crime.
 
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reefedjib said:
I think we ought to help the poor as well. However, I think that there is a limit to what the government, especially the federal government, ought to do to help them. They ought to help themselves, and more often than not the problem is with the poor not taking advantage of the help that is already being offered. I do not think we should expand our government help when they don't take advantage of it. That is throwing good money away, when we cannot afford it.

More than anything, making appeals to emotion because some poor innocent kids get killed in the inner city. tragic as that is, is blackmail and no good justification for more government assistance. You are quite lame for using said tactics, like folks that object to more government spending don't care about the children.

There is one thing the government could positively do to help protect the innocent in such neighborhoods, that I fully support. Legalize drugs and eliminate, or at least severely cripple by removing the revenue stream, of organized crime.
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There is nothing lame about the truth. Kids are getting killed in the hood and we need to help them get out. Period. Point. BLANK.

We need to expand or create more programs that help people AWARE of the help that is out here. If it is out here and the social workers, gov. etc. are not doing their job to get the word out about these programs? Of course they are going to be a failure and you cannot blame this on the poor folks. Blame people for not doing their damn jobs by telling these folks about these programs.

Do you really expect some homeless person on the street to know about all these special programs out here? How the hell are they gonna know if they are not told about them? There is no special government assistance Batman Call System that goes out and zaps this stuff into their brains. They have to be told about them and helped in understanding them and helped in getting signed up for them.
 
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Mellie said:
“‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”[/I]

Do you agree that we wouldn't be a great country without SS, Medicare and Medicaid?
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You are a bit confused on what Obama is carrying out. Obama WANTS to cut social services, and has cut social services. He has also broken up unions, regardless of what the liberal media is telling you.
 
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Kali said:
The gov is the biggest entity in our country with most the money. So explain to me how the hell they not suppose to help create jobs and industry growth in our country?
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because none of that money is theirs. they had to take it away from somewhere where it was being productive.

not only does government spending not add jobs to the economy, it actually destroys them due to this disparity. the stimulus spending is an overused, but perfect example; the government took $250,000 out of the economy to create a job.... but left to the private market, that $250,000 would have been used to create five jobs. net loss - 4 jobs.
 
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Kali said:
There is nothing lame about the truth. Kids are getting killed in the hood and we need to help them get out. Period. Point. BLANK.
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3/4ths of child poverty can be solved instantaneously through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.

We need to expand or create more programs that help people AWARE of the help that is out here. If it is out here and the social workers, gov. etc. are not doing their job to get the word out about these programs
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no. but their case-load is large. however, the WRO's were generally successful and worked themselves out of jobs decades ago. what we were left were "community organization" groups who seek to further liberalize benefits in order to make up for the fact that current benefits are nearly fully utilized (gotta find a way to put dues in those coffers).

the problem isn't that the programs aren't being utilized. more people are on food stamps than at any point in our history. the problem is that the programs provide incentives for people to engage in self-destructive behavior.

Do you really expect some homeless person on the street to know about all these special programs out here? How the hell are they gonna know if they are not told about them? There is no special government assistance Batman Call System that goes out and zaps this stuff into their brains.
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actually the government contracts with multiple organizations to achieve this function.
 
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MARCLANGEFELD said:
You are a bit confused on what Obama is carrying out. Obama WANTS to cut social services, and has cut social services. He has also broken up unions, regardless of what the liberal media is telling you.
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now that i would like to see some backing for.
 
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from cpwill

3/4ths of child poverty can be solved instantaneously through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.
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And how would you empower BIG GOVERNMENT to mandate and enforce that 'simple mechanism'?
 
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I do agree.

I feel they could be implemented better, as people do take advantage of them, but at their core they give us a chance at survival and the ability to rise above the winds of misfortune or birth into a low-class family. They help make the American dream possible.
 
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I voted "YES" and here's why...

During the Depressionary era (1929-1940), millions of Americans lost their jobs, their homes, their life savings, their very way of life. Our goverment, not wanting to see its citizens suffer, enacted legslation that included measures such as unemployment compensation and guaranteed retirement savings as a means to lift people out of poverty and allow older workers to leave the workforce in relative financial security. As long as unemployment remained low and our society remained healthy, particularly those reaching their golden years, our nation would remain vibrant and strong. For the most part, that is what has happened over the years. There was, however, a darker side of our American politic during this period where initially there was strong support for sterilization programs in most states across the county - the same such decree many right-wingers are now referring to as a "government takeover of health care" or drawing parallels to "eugenics". In short, there really wasn't much difference between the Nazi internment of the Jews and what many in this country were doing to those they classified as "imbecils".

In 1927, Oliver Wendell Holmes was quoted as saying:
"Is is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."
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Do we really want to be a nation that simply throws away the undesireables among us? Back then the choice was between sterilization, abortion or letting these such people starve to death. Our country choose the moral high ground and we're better off for it.
 
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haymarket said:
And how would you empower BIG GOVERNMENT to mandate and enforce that 'simple mechanism'?
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1. mostly i wouldn't, i would simply stop said big government from discouraging it.
2. i would, however, move to make no-fault divorce more difficult when children are involved. but that's a state-level thing, not a federal thing.
 
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Objective Voice said:
In short, there really wasn't much difference between the Nazi internment of the Jews and what many in this country were doing to those they classified as "imbecils".
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in fact, many of the German scientists who put their own program into place took notes from our own.

Do we really want to be a nation that simply throws away the undesireables among us? Back then the choice was between sterilization, abortion or letting these such people starve to death. Our country choose the moral high ground and we're better off for it.
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i want to see your historical backing that the choice was between sterilization, abortion, or the children starving to death. because that charge is crap.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Actually, we've already been over this.

He says "we", meaning current Americans/the current United States, would not be great without these programs. He doesn't even mention past Americans.
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there are no magical past United States of Americas' there is only THE United States of America. and it is entirely in keeping with his character that we find that Obama thinks that it wasn't that great of a nation until it began to really push for wealth redistribution.

:roll: past America's. I could just as easily say that the President would obviously be fine with doing away with all of our social programs tomorrow, as he obviously didn't reference in-the-future America's in this regard.
 
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Didnt laissez faire capitalism fail with little to no social programs?
 
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cpwill said:
there are no magical past United States of Americas' there is only THE United States of America.
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I didn't realize that my American history classes were magical. The more you know. :shrug:

and it is entirely in keeping with his character that we find that Obama thinks that it wasn't that great of a nation until it began to really push for wealth redistribution.
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Well if you've been as unable to understand his past (or is it magical?) comments as you are this one, you clearly don't have a handle on his character.

:roll: past America's. I could just as easily say that the President would obviously be fine with doing away with all of our social programs tomorrow, as he obviously didn't reference in-the-future America's in this regard.
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Who knew that I would come across someone who doesn't believe in history? I can't wait to tell my friends about this one. "There's a guy on the internet who thinks that the United States doesn't have a past. He thinks history is magical." :shrug:
 
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cpwill said:
3/4ths of child poverty can be solved instantaneously through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.



no. but their case-load is large. however, the WRO's were generally successful and worked themselves out of jobs decades ago. what we were left were "community organization" groups who seek to further liberalize benefits in order to make up for the fact that current benefits are nearly fully utilized (gotta find a way to put dues in those coffers).

the problem isn't that the programs aren't being utilized. more people are on food stamps than at any point in our history. the problem is that the programs provide incentives for people to engage in self-destructive behavior.



actually the government contracts with multiple organizations to achieve this function.
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Well in a perfect world the Baby Daddy would be around. But wake up-they are not even around and marriage? That is such a joke. You think if these dead beat dads are not stepping up the plate they gonna get married? HA! Not gonna happen.

We will have to disagree because I am sure there are so many programs out here that people do not know about and guess what? The gov likes it that way as the less the poor take advantage of these programs the more money it saves them. I would not doubt that social workers are told not to tell folks about certain programs unless they are asked about them. Too much digging when the poor should get a huge book about any and all help that is out here for them as soon as they seek welfare.
 
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haymarket said:
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And how would you empower BIG GOVERNMENT to mandate and enforce that 'simple mechanism'?
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Yeah. Forced marriage is not something I want to see going on here in my FREE Country:shock:

Talk about an increase of domestic violence? That is what would probably happen:(
 
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