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Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

For mac:

Wiki has some nifty info about top employers in PG

Prince George's County, Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Safeway?? I can understand why some of those kids feel kinda hopeless.

What county produces the most NBA players? How hard is it to get a govt job if you live in and around DC? I've got local girls in my building with HS diplomas making 60-90k a year.
 
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What county produces the most NBA players?

As much as I wish it weren't the case, not everyone can be an NBA player.

How hard is it to get a govt job if you live in and around DC?

Again, as much as Americans at pissed at all the waste, fraud, and abuse, government jobs and positions are still limited and competitive.

I've got local girls in my building with HS diplomas making 60-90k a year.

Great, can you hook me up? :2razz: I'm a history major and i'ma be fkin broke right outta college.

With the job, not the girls. Actually girls would be nice too XD
 
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Since when did sociology become the realm of liberals only? I mean I was an anthropology major, and sociology is a large part of that.

Or is it because it has the word "social" in it. :roll:

I have a bachelors in social psych, and graduate/post grad degrees in counseling and counseling psychology. Im very conservative. Yeah...its a ball for me at conferences, let me tell ya!

What you frequently find is that the young ideologues that get into the social work aspect are the starry eye'd gonna change the world one lost soul at a time types. If they manage to last more than a few years in the field (many dont), that gets burned out of their system and they often become very realistic and effective social workers/case managers/therapists. Some just get their 'give a damn' busted.
 
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As much as I wish it weren't the case, not everyone can be an NBA player.

You're right, but where do the majority come from.

Again, as much as Americans at pissed at all the waste, fraud, and abuse, government jobs and positions are still limited and competitive.

To be honest, a fair amount of them only really require no criminal record. They won't make you rich, but they'll make you middle class.

Great, can you hook me up? :2razz: I'm a history major and i'ma be fkin broke right outta college.

www.usajobs.gov

State Department likes history majors (I'm a history major)

With the job, not the girls. Actually girls would be nice too XD

I'd start with the job....the girls will come.
 
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I have a bachelors in social psych, and graduate/post grad degrees in counseling and counseling psychology. Im very conservative. Yeah...its a ball for me at conferences, let me tell ya!

What you frequently find is that the young ideologues that get into the social work aspect are the starry eye'd gonna change the world one lost soul at a time types. If they manage to last more than a few years in the field (many dont), that gets burned out of their system and they often become very realistic and effective social workers/case managers/therapists. Some just get their 'give a damn' busted.

My sister is an MSW, and she pretty much told me the exact same thing.
 
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You're right, but where do the majority come from.



To be honest, a fair amount of them only really require no criminal record. They won't make you rich, but they'll make you middle class.



www.usajobs.gov

State Department likes history majors (I'm a history major)



I'd start with the job....the girls will come.

Well if there's any reason to be a proud Marylander, we do produce some real ballers.
 
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that is all they can do in this thread or the other... interpret. They have one track minds.

That's how language works. This is why two different people read the same words and reach two different conclusions. Though it is quite clear in the other thread that you guys are completely misreading his comments. :coffeepap
 
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Apparently neither he nor Michelle Obama were proud of their country then. Sad.

Does pride stem for action, or just being our side? I still think there is bit of national esteem involved in this constant need some have to hear praise for the nation.
 
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Were we not a "great country" before 1965? I find the statement rather ridiculous.

It's as if without medicare and medicaid we're left to shoo our seniors out of our homes to be eaten by bears.
 
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Does pride stem for action, or just being our side? I still think there is bit of national esteem involved in this constant need some have to hear praise for the nation.

I've been proud of my country my entire life. Sometimes less proud than others, but it's always been there. It didn't start at a certain point in my adult life.
 
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that is all they can do in this thread or the other... interpret. They have one track minds.
That's what humans do, we hear the same words, but our minds interpret them based upon our biases and situations. Take the words "f*** You", they can be said in different ways and different situations. They can be words of hate or words of friendship. We are humans beings, not computes which is what you seem to want to make us.
If you want to take Michelle Obama's words in a literal sense (computer) that's fine with me, just don't expect everyone to agree with you.
 
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No, America was a great country before they were introduced, his statement is ignorant of history.

I read his statement as being about now. We are a great country now because of those programs he mentioned.
 
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What, specifically, about not introducing social programs would have caused Americas greatness to suddenly disappear?

First off, Obama mentions several specific programs, not social programs in general. Also note that it depends on what "greatness" you are talking about. Greatest super power, probably we would still be. Great in terms of a great place to live, not as much.
 
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No other option? I agree to a certain extent that being able to help those in need does make us as a nation great. Unfortunately the fraud, red tape etc make it a wasteful corrupt system that makes people dependent.

None of the programs are working as intended. As a fall back in case of hard times. People have changed it into something it was never meant to be, a lifestyle.

And yet Medicare for example has more money spent on the program go to actual health care than private insurance companies. They are not perfect, but fraud, waste and corruption are not particular to government programs.
 
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And yet Medicare for example has more money spent on the program go to actual health care than private insurance companies.

So what? Has nothing to do with my statement. Private company's are not using our tax dollars either.

They are not perfect, but fraud, waste and corruption are not particular to government programs.

I am talking about all social programs in particular. Private programs that are wasteful etc do NOT cost us tax money.

Apples and oranges for this particular argument.

You mite want to look at the context of what I said.
 
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I've been proud of my country my entire life. Sometimes less proud than others, but it's always been there. It didn't start at a certain point in my adult life.

Not what I asked you. I asked where does pride stem from. Some believe that we must have pride no matter what, as it is the sense of it being us and nothing else. Others believe that pride comes in what we do and not just by being. Remember those efforts to build children's self esttem by praising them constantly? Some see this is how we should be proud of our nation, praise it constantly or you don't love it, or have pride in it.

So, to recap, the question is where does pride stem from?
 
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If our social programs work so well, why are there still poor Americans?

Because people grow up seeing that they can get what they need to survive without much effort along with believing there is no other way to survive.
 
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Mellie, since you are here again, I want to repeat my question from earlier: Is the question whether we agree with the comments Obama made, or is the question do we think America would be great without social programs, which is not what Obama said in your quote? Also, did Obama say what you attribute to him in the title, or is it intentionally misleading?
 
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Mellie, since you are here again, I want to repeat my question from earlier: Is the question whether we agree with the comments Obama made, or is the question do we think America would be great without social programs, which is not what Obama said in your quote? Also, did Obama say what you attribute to him in the title, or is it intentionally misleading?

"Do you agree with what Obama said?"

The title is not misleading.
 
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It would be really awesome if people weren't allowed to jack with the poll results.
 
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"Do you agree with what Obama said?"

The title is not misleading.

Title of the thread, cut and pasted so there is no mistake:

Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

This is not what Obama said in the quote you posted. Unless he said something else I am not aware of, the thread title is dishonest.
 
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It would be really awesome if people weren't allowed to jack with the poll results.

I count the total among members at 27 yes, 25 no, and pretty much no surprises in who voted for which.
 
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I count the total among members at 27 yes, 25 no, and pretty much no surprises in who voted for which.

Right down partisan lines as usual.

Nothing against you Red.

I am so sick of partisan politics in this country, nothing but a bunch of bleating sheep marching lock step with their masters.
 
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Right down partisan lines as usual.

Nothing against you Red.

I am so sick of partisan politics in this country, nothing but a bunch of bleating sheep marching lock step with their masters.

I am not a sheep, I have valid numerical reasons for not supporting them!! :)
 
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Right down partisan lines as usual.

Nothing against you Red.

I am so sick of partisan politics in this country, nothing but a bunch of bleating sheep marching lock step with their masters.

There are times when I don't disagree with the above sentiment, however this is not one of them. To me, this topic is what defines liberal and conservative.
 
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