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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Yes perhaps it has made us into a great country as some would categorize it but only for a limited time. The social programs filled withn free money, guarantees, jobs, free health care and pills, well it's awesome but like a ponzi scheme it built on a house of cards although for those who entered it early they will benefit. Now those who benefit from this think it's great and will swear by it and promote it for the next generation, all the while it is costing more money that is being put in and will eventually collapse. Those who benefited first but never put into it, also at the time people didn't live as long and politicians weren't eager to dip into the pot of limited gold. This country can longer afford this and with those dependent on these programs there will be the devil to pay on both sides of this issue. So we must all ourselves. social programs or our country's stability.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    it's classic Obama though. Our Founding Ideals don't make us great. Redistribution of wealth does.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The problem is that social programs that provide subsistence do not foster independence...but rather, dependence.
    Depends on the individual. And I do think that some of the programs need to be altered to provide more encouragement for independence. That does not change that their mere existence demonstrates the greatness, civilly, and compassion that is the US.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    [I]“‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”[/I]

    Do you agree that we wouldn't be a great country without SS, Medicare and Medicaid?

    No. Those commitments are imposed on the people at the point of a gun, which is what enforces US tax law.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Define great.

    I think a country can be judged, just like a person, by how "he treats the least of us." I would hate to live in a country that didn't care enough for its poor or its seniors to provide them with the basic necessities of life.
    What about a nation which creates programs that allows the child the ability to sidestep his responsiblity to care for his parents and foist that obligation onto complete strangers?

    What about a nation that allows it's future seniors to saddle their future grand children with $100,000,000,000,000 in debt to support them in their old age, when many of those same seniors are mentally and physically able to continue working for another decade, but choose not to?

    Government assistance programs do not define the greatness of a people. The nation's greatness is measured by how it's people help each other without government involvement.

    If government programs are a measure of a nation's greatness, then the Soviet Union was the greatest nation in the history of the world.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    She was born in 1964 - meaning adulthood around 1984. What amazing things happened in the United States between 1984 and 2008?
    The fall of the Soviet Union, engineered by Ronald Reagan.

    The impeachment of a perjurious president.

    September 11, 2001, and the American's people's response to that atrocity, as opposed to the liberal president Bush's overall response.

    To name just a few good things the United States and it's people accomplished that made any real American proud to be American.

    Some things no American should be proud of, the election of Bill Clinton, the re-election of Bill Clinton, the failure of the Senate to convict the impeachment of Bill Clinton, the kidnapping of Noriega, the PATRIOT Act, the formation of the DHS and the TSA, the Brady Bill, Bush I's tax hike, every year's deficit spending on unconstitutional programs, the failure of New Orleans and Louisiana to handle Katrina, the Americans With Disabilities Act, the massacre of the Branch Davidians and the subsequent cover up, the Ruby Ridge incident, the Oklahoma City terrorist act, to name a few of the darker chapters of recent US history.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Depends on the individual. And I do think that some of the programs need to be altered to provide more encouragement for independence. That does not change that their mere existence demonstrates the greatness, civilly, and compassion that is the US.
    The existence of social programs demonstrates our greatness? Our social programs are decidedly less drastic than most of Europe and Canada...and yet we are the preeminent nation.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The existence of social programs demonstrates our greatness? Our social programs are decidedly less drastic than most of Europe and Canada...and yet we are the preeminent nation.
    As far as the individual goes....a few may be reached and pushed on to better things, but by and large, social welfare creates dependence and perpetuates poverty.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    As I see it, one cannot measure the success or the standard of living of any nation without looking at ALL of its people - the advantaged and the disadvantaged...
    By their actions of the last several generations, the conservatives seem not to give a hoot about the disadvantaged....they are, in fact, the political party for the wealthy....
    I think that the success of the consevatives is based on man's desire to be "wealthy", the liberals should see this.
    Obama will go down in history as one of the great presidents, after all is said and done.

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