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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I can't stand Obama.
    Good to know.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I completely disagree with his statements, what made America great was the freedoms provided and the can do entrepreneurial spirit that has turned a land mass into a superpower in a few hundred years. It is only with this current implementation of social programs that the possibility of opportunity is disappearing. Let me make my own decisions, insure mine decisions and those around me do not infringe upon my basic rights, organize our defence both militarily and in regards to the constitution, that is all the federal government is for, other than that let the states handle it.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    [I]“‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”[/I]

    Do you agree that we wouldn't be a great country without SS, Medicare and Medicaid?
    of course i do. the country wasn't great under the Founders, under Lincoln, as we won WWI... Freedom, inalienable rights of man, representative government, rule of law.... none of these things are nearly the equal of a centrally administered system of wealth redistribution. We weren't "Great" until the Nixon administration...

    seriously, Obama should fire whoever wrote that line.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    You're right. No one believes we shouldn't help the needy. However, there is a difference between individual, voluntary charity and forced charity from the government.
    and the absence or presence of either does not determine asa sole qualification whether or not we are a great nation. what an idiotic thing for a man who is supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar to say.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What's the vast chasm?

    Is it your issue that America is the leader of the world? Is it simply jealousy that drives your comments? America is the third largest population in the world, the largest economy, and the only superpower. Get over it or help destroy it. Your choice.
    the vast chasm(s) are what you keep leaping to assign positions, and to make baseless accusations towards me based upon a post that was completely non verbal. From a single Far Side cartoon and a smiley (these usually denote humor and should be a clue to not take it so seriously) you have somehow managed to read volumes into it, and to introduce new "issues" that I have with every subsequent post you have made. These are the chasms you are leaping, you are making insane mental leaps and reading way too much into it, and are quite off base.

    I was making a joke that other nations were lemmings following our lead (playing off from, and intending it to be semi-supportive of your comment).. nothing more nothing less, and even that was intended to be taken only half seriously (that smiley thing I inserted) - yet somehow it seems that without reading a single word you have determined that I am "one of them", driven by jealousy, apparently hating that America is a leader of the world, and need to get over these "issues" that you pulled out of thin air.

    The misunderstanding is no problem, it happens, but I really do not appreciate the false accusations or your unwarranted hostile tone and telling me to get over something that you fabricated all by your lonesome. Anyhow.. my apologies to others in the thread for the side tracking this has caused, that was not my intention at all.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I agree with President Obama and I think the majority of Americans agree with him as well.
    This whole dust up is typical of the far right wing. They tried this bull**** with Michelle Obama when Barack announced his candidacy for president, and he kicked their ass good.. It didn' work then and it won't work now.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I can't stand Obama.
    Does that mean you do not agree with him?
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I disagree. I think Medicare and social programs are good, but they aren't what makes our country great. I fear that many social programs are actually decreasing how great our country is while productive ones go underfunded. I disagree with Obama.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I agree with him (on this issue). We as a society cannot turn our backs on people who don't measure up, financially, because of age, health, inability to support their children for legitimate reasons. I don't want to live in a country where the poor are left to go hungry, the old and ill are left to rot on the sidewalk, and the disabled are unable to get care they need to survive.

    Also, I don't want to hear about how private donations should take over for welfare, medicare and social security. They wouldn't come close to paying the cost of living expenses and medical costs of the millions of sick, poor and disabled in this country. Hell, people here give a smaller percent in charitable contributions overall than just about any other western nation on earth. I'll be damned if I want to put the lives of our most vulnerable in the hands of such international cheapskates.

    Yes, cheapskates, proven every time someone bellyaches about "their tax dollars paying those lazy welfare queens" and "old people too stupid to save for their own retirement" (which translates into "too stupid to realize that inflation would turn a nest egg that would have provided a 20-year retirement in 1960 into the amount a middle-class banker requires annually just to survive.")

    So, yeah. I agree with Obama on this.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I agree with him (on this issue). We as a society cannot turn our backs on people who don't measure up, financially, because of age, health, inability to support their children for legitimate reasons. I don't want to live in a country where the poor are left to go hungry, the old and ill are left to rot on the sidewalk, and the disabled are unable to get care they need to survive.

    Also, I don't want to hear about how private donations should take over for welfare, medicare and social security. They wouldn't come close to paying the cost of living expenses and medical costs of the millions of sick, poor and disabled in this country. Hell, people here give a smaller percent in charitable contributions overall than just about any other western nation on earth. I'll be damned if I want to put the lives of our most vulnerable in the hands of such international cheapskates.

    Yes, cheapskates, proven every time someone bellyaches about "their tax dollars paying those lazy welfare queens" and "old people too stupid to save for their own retirement" (which translates into "too stupid to realize that inflation would turn a nest egg that would have provided a 20-year retirement in 1960 into the amount a middle-class banker requires annually just to survive.")

    So, yeah. I agree with Obama on this.
    so you agree that we were not great until the Nixon Administration put the Johnson Administrations' Great Society programs into full practice? we have only been a Great Nation since the late-60's / early-70's?

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