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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I would agree with the President's comments. Firstly, it is ridiculous to consider that people will voluntarily provide the assistance needed to help the most needy members of our society in the same volume as the government does. Secondly, and I think someone already said this, a society can best be judged by how it treats the weakest members. Also, the assistance provided helps provide the potential for these members to no longer need assistance. I think it is our social programs and our commitment to helping those who struggle, throughout the world, that makes us the great society that we are.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would agree with the President's comments. Firstly, it is ridiculous to consider that people will voluntarily provide the assistance needed to help the most needy members of our society in the same volume as the government does. Secondly, and I think someone already said this, a society can best be judged by how it treats the weakest members. Also, the assistance provided helps provide the potential for these members to no longer need assistance. I think it is our social programs and our commitment to helping those who struggle, throughout the world, that makes us the great society that we are.
    Well said!!

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    We're talking about all social programs.
    So the question is not about what Obama said, but about your extrapolation including all social programs?
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Define great.

    I think a country can be judged, just like a person, by how "he treats the least of us." I would hate to live in a country that didn't care enough for its poor or its seniors to provide them with the basic necessities of life.
    There are many ways to accomplish that, and the way its' done now is not the right way.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would agree with the President's comments. Firstly, it is ridiculous to consider that people will voluntarily provide the assistance needed to help the most needy members of our society in the same volume as the government does. Secondly, and I think someone already said this, a society can best be judged by how it treats the weakest members. Also, the assistance provided helps provide the potential for these members to no longer need assistance. I think it is our social programs and our commitment to helping those who struggle, throughout the world, that makes us the great society that we are.
    The problem is that social programs that provide subsistence do not foster independence...but rather, dependence.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    The $74,000,000,000,000.00 Hole known as Medicare.........

    The $13,000,000,000,000.00 Hole known as Social Security.......

    Yeah they made America Great alright.....if by great you mean Bankrupt........
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I didnt participate in this poll because I dont like either answer to be honest...the truth is something different.
    Social Security is not a pension plan lets get that straight...the average social security check is 1177.00 who the HELL can retire on that..you cant get a furnished room with no toilet and laundry privledges for that in the entire northeast...So lets not go teaparty here and exaggerate.

    Take away medicare and give a 5000 dollar credit like ryan wants to do wont work...you cant buy insurance on 1,177 a month plus 5 grand a year when your 69 yrs old and retired, christ in a few years you wont be able to buy a weeks worth of groceries.....You will pay paying for the old baskets anyway and paying more and through the nose. WHO is going to pay when a 70 yr old gets cancer makes 1,177 a month social security LESS the fees the teaparty wants to impose and who cant afford private health insurance with the voucher ryan wants to give him...WHO and who pays for the medicine...YOU thats WHO.
    Any of you people that BELIEVE that you can get rid of Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid keep allowing millions of illegal immigrants in here taking all the jobs and keep ALLOWING corporations to ship the jobs to china for a few extra bucks are just bending over and accepting large vocal objects from the teaparty....you will have mass's of people unable to take care of themselves then one of two things happen...you Pay and you Pay WAY MORE or they revolt and kill all the rich people then everyone has squat.. Crime will soar...
    This is all fabricated teapary spoiled brat rich kid crap from people that never had a bad day...who think they can just say SCREW EVERYONE I got mine and im keeping it all and then live happily ever after rich and stuffed like a pig....wishful thinking.
    Where do I start in responding to this incoherent mess? Hmmmm. First off, I think you need to look up the definition of a pension. Social security is a universal pension program. Just because its not enough to cover all of someone's living expenses, does not mean it is not a pension.

    pension - definition of pension by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Next, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Where did I say we should get rid of Social Security or Medicare? I said in my post that most folks DO NOT object to a basic safety net. People in this thread have been saying the fact that we have a safety net is part of what makes us great, and I simply pointed out that both Medicare and Social Security go far beyond a safety net and have become universal (i.e. regardless of actual need) old age benefits.

    I certainly said nothing about illegal immigration so I have no idea why you're ranting about that here. As for the Tea Party, one of that group's biggest short comings in my mind is that they overwhelmingly DON'T want meaningful reform to Social Security and Medicare. The Tea Party crying about deficits and not wanting to touch the huge entitlement programs that are contributing to our debt more and more each pasing year is ludicrious.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I can't stand Obama.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Do use a pole vault to leap over these vast chasms?
    What's the vast chasm?

    Is it your issue that America is the leader of the world? Is it simply jealousy that drives your comments? America is the third largest population in the world, the largest economy, and the only superpower. Get over it or help destroy it. Your choice.
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