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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

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    3/4ths of child poverty can be solved instantaneously through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.
    And how would you empower BIG GOVERNMENT to mandate and enforce that 'simple mechanism'?
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I do agree.

    I feel they could be implemented better, as people do take advantage of them, but at their core they give us a chance at survival and the ability to rise above the winds of misfortune or birth into a low-class family. They help make the American dream possible.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    I voted "YES" and here's why...

    During the Depressionary era (1929-1940), millions of Americans lost their jobs, their homes, their life savings, their very way of life. Our goverment, not wanting to see its citizens suffer, enacted legslation that included measures such as unemployment compensation and guaranteed retirement savings as a means to lift people out of poverty and allow older workers to leave the workforce in relative financial security. As long as unemployment remained low and our society remained healthy, particularly those reaching their golden years, our nation would remain vibrant and strong. For the most part, that is what has happened over the years. There was, however, a darker side of our American politic during this period where initially there was strong support for sterilization programs in most states across the county - the same such decree many right-wingers are now referring to as a "government takeover of health care" or drawing parallels to "eugenics". In short, there really wasn't much difference between the Nazi internment of the Jews and what many in this country were doing to those they classified as "imbecils".

    In 1927, Oliver Wendell Holmes was quoted as saying:
    "Is is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."
    Do we really want to be a nation that simply throws away the undesireables among us? Back then the choice was between sterilization, abortion or letting these such people starve to death. Our country choose the moral high ground and we're better off for it.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how would you empower BIG GOVERNMENT to mandate and enforce that 'simple mechanism'?
    1. mostly i wouldn't, i would simply stop said big government from discouraging it.
    2. i would, however, move to make no-fault divorce more difficult when children are involved. but that's a state-level thing, not a federal thing.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In short, there really wasn't much difference between the Nazi internment of the Jews and what many in this country were doing to those they classified as "imbecils".
    in fact, many of the German scientists who put their own program into place took notes from our own.

    Do we really want to be a nation that simply throws away the undesireables among us? Back then the choice was between sterilization, abortion or letting these such people starve to death. Our country choose the moral high ground and we're better off for it.
    i want to see your historical backing that the choice was between sterilization, abortion, or the children starving to death. because that charge is crap.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, we've already been over this.

    He says "we", meaning current Americans/the current United States, would not be great without these programs. He doesn't even mention past Americans.
    there are no magical past United States of Americas' there is only THE United States of America. and it is entirely in keeping with his character that we find that Obama thinks that it wasn't that great of a nation until it began to really push for wealth redistribution.

    past America's. I could just as easily say that the President would obviously be fine with doing away with all of our social programs tomorrow, as he obviously didn't reference in-the-future America's in this regard.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Didnt laissez faire capitalism fail with little to no social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    there are no magical past United States of Americas' there is only THE United States of America.
    I didn't realize that my American history classes were magical. The more you know.

    and it is entirely in keeping with his character that we find that Obama thinks that it wasn't that great of a nation until it began to really push for wealth redistribution.
    Well if you've been as unable to understand his past (or is it magical?) comments as you are this one, you clearly don't have a handle on his character.

    past America's. I could just as easily say that the President would obviously be fine with doing away with all of our social programs tomorrow, as he obviously didn't reference in-the-future America's in this regard.
    Who knew that I would come across someone who doesn't believe in history? I can't wait to tell my friends about this one. "There's a guy on the internet who thinks that the United States doesn't have a past. He thinks history is magical."

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    3/4ths of child poverty can be solved instantaneously through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.



    no. but their case-load is large. however, the WRO's were generally successful and worked themselves out of jobs decades ago. what we were left were "community organization" groups who seek to further liberalize benefits in order to make up for the fact that current benefits are nearly fully utilized (gotta find a way to put dues in those coffers).

    the problem isn't that the programs aren't being utilized. more people are on food stamps than at any point in our history. the problem is that the programs provide incentives for people to engage in self-destructive behavior.



    actually the government contracts with multiple organizations to achieve this function.
    Well in a perfect world the Baby Daddy would be around. But wake up-they are not even around and marriage? That is such a joke. You think if these dead beat dads are not stepping up the plate they gonna get married? HA! Not gonna happen.

    We will have to disagree because I am sure there are so many programs out here that people do not know about and guess what? The gov likes it that way as the less the poor take advantage of these programs the more money it saves them. I would not doubt that social workers are told not to tell folks about certain programs unless they are asked about them. Too much digging when the poor should get a huge book about any and all help that is out here for them as soon as they seek welfare.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    And how would you empower BIG GOVERNMENT to mandate and enforce that 'simple mechanism'?
    Yeah. Forced marriage is not something I want to see going on here in my FREE Country

    Talk about an increase of domestic violence? That is what would probably happen
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