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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    "give them"? No, if you want people to have things they don't want to pay for, or can't pay for, you dig into your own pocket and make a donation. Leave everyone else's money alone, you did not earn it for them, you have no right to command how it's spent.
    Really? I think I have a say in how MY tax dollars are spent. You think not? I feel for ya.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Disgusting to make fun of children getting shot. Simply disgusting. Shame on some of you
    I was making fun of you, Kali, because you seem to think the government ought to do something about drive by shootings, because they hurt educational standards in the inner city??



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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well the first thing they need is to be treated with respect and dignity, not like 2nd class citizens. Just because you are getting help does not make you less of a human as some around these forums tend to think.
    This had nothing to do with anything I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    We need to give them more job training, computer training, clothing vouchers to go on job interviews, college aide, daycare help and the main focus should probably be that they are more aware of the help that is out here.
    Most of that is already available through charity's and other government programs. The problem is you can lead a horse to water...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    A lot of folks honestly have no clue and this is not their fault-it is the fault of social workers and others.
    It is the fault of social workers????? That people don't go out and do something to benefit themselves?????

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    There also needs to be more checking and pushing these folks to take advantage of the resources that are out here. There needs to be rules and if you do not follow them well we cut you off and unless you agree to follow those rules and go to these programs and training, etc? You may get cut off. Maybe three strikes and you are out?
    Pushing people to be more responsible? Then if they are not being responsible they get cut off? Hmmmm... Sounds like a plan, a bad plan. Then you want to give 3 strikes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The other issue is of course we can train these people, dress them, help them with their interview skills and resume writing but if the jobs are not there what the hell are they suppose to do?
    Except for the "dressing up part" Your local unemployment will do the rest for, get this! Free. Go to your local unemployment office and they provide the computers to help find jobs for free! They will teach you how to interview and write a resume as well!

    This of course varies from state to state but in Illinois and Florida it is as easy as going to the unemployment office.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If they are doing evertyhing in their power and show proof (which is required) then it is not on them-it is on our gov for not creating enough jobs.
    The government does not create jobs, the private sector does.

    Personal responsibility is a hell of a drug.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Check yourself as you do not know me well enough to say I am the type of anything.

    And if you think it is not the Gov job to create more jobs and industry growth? Then why is that always a big winning point in reguards to elections. More jobs is the job of my gov. and it wins elections. If you wish to nitpick about it? Do it with someone else.

    And if you do not wish to help poor people? That is fine too. But do not attack me because I do. And adults going to grown adult childrens job interviews? Where did that come from? I have never said any such thing and not sure why you would think that I support that at all
    From what you wrote, I am quite surprised if you don't support this. Helicopter parents remind me of a nanny state government which is what you were espousing in your post.


    Baby Boomer Parents, Strong Job Market, Parents Help To Children
    For years, college officials have tried to cope with "helicopter parents," so named because of their tendency to swoop onto college campuses to fix their child's roommate problems or dispute a grade with a professor.

    As the Millennial Generation - generally those born between 1982 and 2002 - graduate college and search for jobs, their parents continue to hover.

    A 2007 survey by the Collegiate Employment Research Institute found that a quarter of employers say parents are actively engaged in their children's job search. About 31% of 725 companies surveyed said parents had submitted a resume on behalf of their child, and 15% said parents complained if their son or daughter was not hired. Four percent reported parents accompanying their children to job interviews. "It's wreaking havoc on the work force," said Anna Ivey, a career consultant who coaches students and employers on how to help millennials transition from college to work.

    "If you're the employer," she said, "how do you groom someone for a management or leadership role when they're still tied by an umbilical cord to their parent?"
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Check yourself as you do not know me well enough to say I am the type of anything.

    And if you think it is not the Gov job to create more jobs and industry growth? Then why is that always a big winning point in reguards to elections. More jobs is the job of my gov. and it wins elections. If you wish to nitpick about it? Do it with someone else.

    And if you do not wish to help poor people? That is fine too. But do not attack me because I do. And adults going to grown adult childrens job interviews? Where did that come from? I have never said any such thing and not sure why you would think that I support that at all
    It is not the government's job to create employment. It's the government's job to engender an atmosphere of stability and the assurance that people who put their money at risk creating new businesses and expanding old businesses will not be robbed by either their fellow citizens or their government. President Obama and his Democrats believe firmly that people who create wealth are evil (unless they donate generously to their re-election campaigns) and should be deprived of their wealth.

    No one is attacking you for your desire to help poor people.

    You're being attacked for your desire to use someone else's money to supposedly help the poor.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Really? I think I have a say in how MY tax dollars are spent. You think not? I feel for ya.
    Since you alone are not being taxed, your "say" is irrelevant to the moral and unconstitutional issue of seizing money for the purpose of buying votes from the poor.

    You did not address the fact that the Mayor was not discussing tax dollars per se, but the fact that your desire to help the poor with other people's money is immoral, wrong, and outright unamerican.

    Davy Crockett: Not Yours To GiveOne day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

    "Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

    "Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

    He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.
    That's the Mayor's objection to your self-satisfied arrogance towards the desires of other people and the money they earned themselves.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    from Turtle on his rejection of the values of modern America

    you are quick to justify a lack of responsibility mob rule.
    Could you rephrase that please? I do not know what that means. Maybe you left out some words. "A lack of responsibility mob rule" --- I do not know what you mean by that.

    My vision of america is much closer to the vision of what made America great
    By that I guess you are saying that your vision of America is based on the 1700's? If we ever again become an isolated backwater of only 4 million farmers and small merchants, be sure to bring that up.

    your vision is why we have massive debt, massive underachievement and a massive amount of dependent slackers
    I favor NONE of those things.

    your party wins by creating dependence on the government-thus your party has an interest in creating as much dependence as possible
    Please provide proof for that beyond your own statements, beyond your own pontificating and beyond your own self imposed belief system. You say this all the time but NEVER provide any actual proof for it.
    An highly educated attorney should know about evidence and how to build a case. Please do it with your claim here.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    from Mayor Snorkum

    It is not the government's job to create employment.
    Could you provide some verifiable proof for this statement?


    It's the government's job to engender an atmosphere of stability and the assurance that people who put their money at risk creating new businesses and expanding old businesses will not be robbed by either their fellow citizens or their government.
    Could you provide some proof for this statement as well?
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I love watching conservatives tell liberals what they believe. As always, they get it wrong.
    i would say that every time someone generalizes and assumes about some group...they are wrong.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Mayor Snorkum



    Could you provide some verifiable proof for this statement?




    Could you provide some proof for this statement as well?
    Check the Constitution sometime-that would answer your silly questions



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