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Thread: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    [I]“‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”[/I]

    Do you agree that we wouldn't be a great country without SS, Medicare and Medicaid?
    Yes I agree. We are a great country, and we are great because of the promise made in the Preamble of the Constitution to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...". Though we had to struggle through a civil war, robber barons, a Great Depression and two world wars (among other hardships), we emerged in the years following WWII as the most prosperous and most powerful country in the world. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are simply examples of the committment we as Americans have toward that original promise.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by ADG View Post
    Yes I agree. We are a great country, and we are great because of the promise made in the Preamble of the Constitution to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...". Though we had to struggle through a civil war, robber barons, a Great Depression and two world wars (among other hardships), we emerged in the years following WWII as the most prosperous and most powerful country in the world. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are simply examples of the committment we as Americans have toward that original promise.
    we would still be great without that new deal crap and its progeny and we would be stronger more productive nation



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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Well he's exactly right. I don't know how any American wouldn't agree with it 100%. Even cavemen cared for their sick. Being useless to the tribe didn't mean sure death.
    It doesn't necessarily take government programs to get people to care for their friends, neighbors etc.
    Obama on the other hand prefers "forced charity" through taxes etc. How do I know he prefers that? Because one of the first things he wanted to cut was tax deductions for charitable giving.
    No one knows where we would be today without these social programs.
    My opinion is that we would be a much more giving nation. As it is now, we consider it the government's job to take of people who can't take care of themselves.
    To say that those programs is what makes America great, gives me a sick feeling in my stomach about this presidents view of America.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It doesn't necessarily take government programs to get people to care for their friends, neighbors etc.
    Obama on the other hand prefers "forced charity" through taxes etc. How do I know he prefers that? Because one of the first things he wanted to cut was tax deductions for charitable giving.
    No one knows where we would be today without these social programs.
    My opinion is that we would be a much more giving nation. As it is now, we consider it the government's job to take of people who can't take care of themselves.
    To say that those programs is what makes America great, gives me a sick feeling in my stomach about this presidents view of America.
    Obama was being honest-he thinks the dems winning elections makes america great and income redistribution is how those elections are won by dems



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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What learning barriers?

    The National Household and Education Survey (NHES)—a nationally representative survey of households—asks parents of children ages 3–6 whether their child is able to do certain school readiness-related activitiesData from these surveys in 1990, 1993, and 2007 (years in which the questions were included) indicate that children from poorer families are less able to recognize their letters, count to 20, write their name, or read or pretend to read a book.
    http://www.rif.org/documents/us/RIFa...FullReport.pdf

    Caused in part by:

    Children from poorer families have fewer books in their homes, have fewer books available in the school and classroom library, and live farther from public libraries than do children raised by middle- and upper-income families.
    62% of parents with high socioeconomic status read to their children every day. 36% of parents with low socioeconomic status read to their children every day.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So then what would you suggest to end the poverty problem in this country? On the one hand you say government maintains the problem and on the other you imply that personal problems like drug use and video games are part of the problem. What's your solution?
    Oh, that's easy.

    Redefine "poverty" to include only the truly impoverished, not the poor. If someone is poor because they're stupid and addicted to drugs, they shouldn't count in any "poverty" statistics, it's their own fault they're where they're at.

    If someone has a state of the art cell phone, he's clearly not impoverished, and shouldn't be counted as such. He's a con man, and should be counted as such.

    If a person is working in an area where only seasonal work employs his skills, and he chooses not to move to where he can work more, then he's not impoverished, he's stubborn, and certainly does not deserve to have his unemployed weeks supplemented with taxpayer dollars.

    Finally, poverty should be something to ashamed of, since shame is something that motivates people to improve themselves.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are times when I don't disagree with the above sentiment, however this is not one of them. To me, this topic is what defines liberal and conservative.
    It does not define anyone. I am conservative and I see that the social services we have are supposed to serve a TEMPORARY purpose. The problem is it's NOT. It is becoming a way of life for some people and this needs to stop.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Uh. Huh. And?

    of course many parents of poor children don't give a crap about their spawn.

    That does not make their spawn the public's problem, it makes them suitable goals for voluntary charitable (that's a redundant statement, for those of who believe the government can engage in charity) contributions and action. Again, the nation has a need for unskilled labor, and always shall.

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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That hurts coming from you.

    Nonetheless - we're not talking about "proud", we're talking about "really proud". Let me give you examples of times when Americans were "really proud" of their country - winning the revolutionary war, victory after WWII, passage of the Civil Rights of 1864, etc.. She was talking about pivotal moment in history where you think to yourself - "this is what America is all about". Got it yet?
    I'm very proud of my country. However, I'll be really, really proud when the day comes that a black or gay, or woman is elected/hired for something and no mention of race, sexual preference, or gender is even mentioned.
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    Re: Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social progra

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Obama was being honest-he thinks the dems winning elections makes america great and income redistribution is how those elections are won by dems
    In my opinion, redistribution of wealth is about as un-American as you can get.
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
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